NVP isn't convinced of his ability to argue for it either - so he'll just keep the accusation vague and then bottle up when questioned.
Gang of 12 'allegedly' rape British Citizen in Cyprus
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NVP isn't convinced of his ability to argue for it either - so he'll just keep the accusation vague and then bottle up when questioned.
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What has that got to do with anti-semitism? Is that how arguments go now, someone raises the possibility of a country maybe or maybe not having interests that maybe or maybe not have infulenced something and this makes you anti-their religion?
I'm not too keen on what america is doing for maybe maybe not reasons, does that make me anti-christian? I'm not too keen on what china is doing because of maybe maybe not reasons, so am I anti-taoist? What a load of donkies balls. Low ones at that.
No, it is a particular poster, posting a vague argument/apparent "conspiracy" about a rather particular country then refusing to elaborate on what they were implying. Not like there are any antisemitic connotations re: jews and conspiracies... nope, none at all, nothing to see here - I'm sure that it was all perfectly innocent and the poster will be along with an explanation any time now.
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It's like arguing with a Murdoch media publication.
Is it NVP's fault that Israel has had of lot of stuff going on that has been worth commenting on?
Why don't you say similar things to folk who talk about other countries a lot, why do you not accuse them of being this that or other anti-religion.
Media bred, ball sack, low ball arguments. What a load of carp.
What makes you think it is worth commenting on with regards to this thread/rape case? WTF does an oil deal have to do with this?
Honestly you're mentioning Murdoch while standing up for Info Wars/David Icke type stuff...
It isn't just me being random:
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The police initially believed this girl for a number of days so it's not simply the default stitch-up.
There are also reports the police accosted the Israeli boys initially (broken noses etc.)
Related to the deal being signed days after the verdict also note the date of the article I coughed at durwie.
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There you go, putting words into peoples mouths. I was not standing up for Info wars or David icke, not even by proxy.
What I was doing was calling you out for a donkeys ball sack argument/accusation. Seen it enough in the press, its depressing to see it used. Capiche?
If you want my honest opinion right here and now about whether cross country big money deals, that have folk within that deal who are close to an accused of wrong doing in the country the deal is going on... and if that could possibly affect the judicial system, hmmmm, let me think..... Yes, I believe it could, who would believe that it absolutely beyond doubt could not do?
Totally reasonable conjecture if you ask me. But I'm not saying that is the case, or that its not the case, simply that there is a possibility that could be the case.
Don't start that **** again
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Even if she did consent to sex with 1 boy, 2 or 5. If at any point she said "no, stop, I don't want to do this anymore" and they continued then its rape.
The fact the Foreign Office and legal minds here have serious issues with this verdict should worry anyone. If she really did make it up then she deserves to be punished. However I'm going to wait and see how this plays out over time before I make my mind up.
I didn't say you were - I'm pointing out that this sort of conspiracy argument is about at that level:
The police investigation was so shonky from the start that they left evidence in the room and then Marius Christou (the police officer who also got the "confession") lied in court under oath about it. The state pathologist failed, on multiple measures, to follow procedure and thus failed to properly obtain and record vital evidence. It seems there was a female officer who tried to do it properly but the others waited for her day off and then delivered their stitch up.
This claim is not supported by available evidence. There are no broken noses apparent in photos.
That's kind of obvious. Do you understand the point being made though - that if someone were to claim consensual sex with one and a gang rape by many then that story gets contradicted by a video appearing to show consensual sex with more than one and some alibis provided by some of the others accused of being involved in the gang rape - one had a selfie with his girlfriend that got him out of the accusation, others had video footage etc... then that rather undermines her reliability as a witness and at the very least shows the initial claim/statement to be BS.
They have serious issues with it for different reasons AFAIK, like I said the sensible criticisms are re: things like police procedure, not even recording the interview, no lawyer etc..etc..
The silly stuff is ignoring stuff like the video evidence and alibis showing up her initial complaint to be false and carrying on with the believe all victims stuff.
The full ****** stuff is now some news story about an oil deal and join the dots/something something...
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Before I even gave my opinion, which neither agrees not disagrees but states a possibility. Wtaf?
It has been known for people who have undergone something traumatic to be uncertain with some things, I've not read the original transcript of her statement, I don't know if it is even available (guessing not), nor seen what was changed. If you were held down and gang raped, do you think there could be a possibility you might not get every single detail correct? Or maybe confused one person for another. You just seem totally adament that it was all nonsense.
Like, lets assume that only 3 people raped her, 10 people were there, and 12 people were part of their group. Even if she lied and said all 12 did, or if she got confused about 2 and included them anyway, and wasnt sure how many actually raped her. Does that mean the 3 who did rape should be let off? Just a theoretical thing, not saying that any of that is the case.
That would be the whole point of an actual proper trial, you know? To get to as much truth as possible.
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The only person identified by the woman was the lead rapist she'd had a relationship with; the rest were identified either by him or the Police. Misidentified people are down to them.
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^^ wow.
The only actual video evidence shows the girl complaining at her partner's friend's ebb begin bff the room and the lead rapist telling her to say "I'm your whore" in hebrew.
There's also bunch of amateur porn videos being shared by people bad at source validation as being of the event.
Well this is false... not that there aren't some other things claimed to be her... but that isn't the only video - her face and name are available online, the picture of the hotel room is in the press... not exactly hard to verify whether a video was shot in that room or a different one...
Actually one of them of her giving one of the lads head was shot in the bathroom but meh... same chick.
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^^ evidence of what though? That she gave one of them a blowjob in a bathroom? Are we talking about if she was raped or not?
She could have willingly shagged half the male population, and each encounter could have been recorded, but why would that be considered evidence that she was not raped off camera by someone?
She could have willingly shagged half the male population, and each encounter could have been recorded, but why would that be considered evidence that she was not raped off camera by someone?
Source?