Gang of 12 'allegedly' rape British Citizen in Cyprus

I don't know why you are allowed to constantly derail threads Dowie without so much as a warning.

I’m not derailing - I’m literately discussing the topic and asked for clarification. The other poster repeatedly quoted me without providing it.

Now you and others are taking little pot shots... you’re not discussing the topic - if anything that’s derailing.

Again - what’s wrong with asking someone to be clear about what they’re referring to - that guy coming back repeatedly badgering me but providing no clarity was being deliberately unhelpful.
 
Not following the full conversation here but I to have been sent loads of clips of the same girl in each. Every clip she appears to be having consensual sex with several different men. The room also looks exactly like the room posted in news stories, so the clips look legitimate.

So the possible scenarios to me are this:

1 - she had consensual sex with several men but then more men entered the orgy, ones that she did not consent to and this became a rape. If this was the case, she should have been honest from the start, stated she had an orgy, but was then raped. Rather than stating from the start that she was outright raped, which judging by the video evidence alone, she was not.

2 - she had consensual sex with several men and then regretted her decision after. She's then gone on to claim they all raped her, which clearly isn't the case. If neither man raped her she should be held to account fully. Not only has she heinously attempted to ruin the lives of those men but she has also done a lot of damage for the victims of true rape cases. Awfully, but somewhat ironically, if the latter is true then she has subsequently ruined her own life. She doesn't deserve that though, everyone makes stupid decisions in life.
 
@RoboCod the clips I’ve seen are just her on top on one lad in the room while another lad films and a second clip of her in a bathroom giving one lad head while another films.

While there might be other clips out there the claim by another poster that there is only one clip and it’s one where she’s told them to close the door isn’t true - in fact it isn’t clear that that clip was even leaked.

While she’s been intimate with more than one of the lads I’m not aware that there have been any claims of clips where she’s done so at the same time so you mightwell have seen some fake clips, then again if the room looks the same then meh... her face is out there though so easy enough to compare.
 
Or it's possible it's someone else in the same hotel, or a similar one at any point over the space of several years unless there is something specifically that dates the clips.

As oddly enough most hotels have every room of the same type in the same building pretty much, well the same:p
In the case of hotel chains often that applies across multiple buildings (and even countries), because it's far easier to have everything interchangeable than rooms that are significantly different, IIRC at least one chain basically has the same room layout in every property they've built for years, they just amend the plans depending on how many rooms they're going to put on that floor (effectively treating the design process for their new hotels as a cut and paste of rooms using their standard templates).

So the video "proof" that it was consensual is basically a video that looks similar to the room she was in (possibly one of hundreds at that location alone), and could have been shot months ago, but the police and lawyers say there was no confirmed video.

Yup that's proof she was lying and gagging for it....
 
So the video "proof" that it was consensual is basically a video that looks similar to the room she was in (possibly one of hundreds at that location alone), and could have been shot months ago, but the police and lawyers say there was no confirmed video.

Yup that's proof she was lying and gagging for it....

That isn't what people have argued and the police and lawyers haven't said there is no video AFAIK. In fact quite the opposite, the alibis and the video(s) seem to have been part of the turning point in the police investigation of this case where they've moved from believing her to (presumably) aspects of her account coming undone.
 
So the video "proof" that it was consensual is basically a video that looks similar to the room she was in (possibly one of hundreds at that location alone), and could have been shot months ago, but the police and lawyers say there was no confirmed video.
It's all rather coincidental isn't it? A group of Israelis, with a blonde English girl, having an orgy, in a room that looks identical to the ones reported on. It just so happens someone had a video of that to hand now. I'm not saying it's not feasible, but what would you say is realistic?
 
all this bickering and back and forth over people's best guess :D

I do find it amusing because no one but those involved really knows and you'll never find out, kind of silly really ;)
 
It's all rather coincidental isn't it? A group of Israelis, with a blonde English girl, having an orgy, in a room that looks identical to the ones reported on. It just so happens someone had a video of that to hand now. I'm not saying it's not feasible, but what would you say is realistic?

As if the internet sleuths weren't out in force looking for anything.

Answer me this: if that video is real why do the Cyprus Police say no such video exists? Why was it not used, or even attemped to be used, in the trial? And why has not a single reputable source noticed its existence?
 
As if the internet sleuths weren't out in force looking for anything.

Answer me this: if that video is real why do the Cyprus Police say no such video exists? Why was it not used, or even attemped to be used, in the trial? And why has not a single reputable source noticed its existence?

You tell me. Perhaps the videos didn't surface until after all this debacle concluded? I'll pose you the same question I did to werewolf though...

I'm not saying it's not feasible, but what would you say is realistic?
 
You tell me. Perhaps the videos didn't surface until after all this debacle concluded?

Why should I tell you? You're the one claiming they're real. People were claiming to have these videos long before the trial started. And, no, I don't find the idea of a porn video with a blond girl in it particularly unlikely, no.
 
Why should I tell you? You're the one claiming they're real. People were claiming to have these videos long before the trial started. And, no, I don't find the idea of a porn video with a blond girl in it particularly unlikely, no.
No, that's not the question I asked. Don't worry now, I'm no longer interested in your viewpoint.
 
Her conviction for public mischief has been overturned.

Doesn't fix the massive injustice of what Cyprus's filthy and corrupt police force and courts did to her, nor anything to bring justice to the Israeli gang rapists, but better than nothing.
 
Mr Jack s bizarre defence of a certain UK woman continues...

We know the videos of the sexual acts almost certainly exist because they are mentioned in credible reporting of the case with the prosecution asking for them to be used in the prosecution of the female with the defence objecting to this...

A prosecutor has dropped a bid to play a video in court showing a British teenager engaged in sexual activity on the night she claims she was gang raped.

The 19-year-old woman, who cannot be identified, has been accused of causing public mischief by allegedly lying about being attacked in an Ayia Napa hotel room, in Cyprus, on 17 July.

She retracted her statement 10 days later and the 12 young Israeli men who were arrested in connection with the claims returned home after their release.

However the woman’s lawyers say police exerted pressure on her to change her statement by threatening her and her friends with arrest when she was interrogated without a lawyer until 2am.

Cypriot authorities strongly deny the retraction was coerced, saying that she volunteered it in writing.

The teenager spent four-and-a-half weeks in prison before she was granted bail at the end of August, but cannot leave the island, which is popular with British holidaymakers.

She arrived at Famagusta District Court in Paralimni on Tuesday dressed in black and wearing a cap and a scarf to cover her face.

A projector was brought into the court as prosecutor Adamos Demosthenous asked to play a video of the teenager found on some of the 11 phones confiscated from members of the Israeli group.

He asked to show the clip in closed court as he questioned phone expert Spyros Nicolau, but Ritsa Pekri, defending, objected, saying it would be dangerous for the woman’s psychological health if it was played in front of her.

The video, timed at 02.56am on 17 July, is said to have shown the woman involved in sexual activity with one man as others tried to enter the room.

Giving evidence on Tuesday, the teenager told a judge investigators, led by Detective Sergeant Marios Christou, said that police had videos which showed she had consensual group sex.

She said: “I asked to see the videos because I didn’t know they existed.

“He said that wasn’t possible, but he had studied them and it was very clear there was no rape.”

The woman said she was “crying” because she “didn’t understand what was going on” and, when she asserted her right to a lawyer, was told: “Maybe in the UK, not here.”

She added: “I was messaging my mum, I was messaging my friends, saying they are forcing me to sign these false statements. I need help.

“I said I was really scared because I didn’t think I would leave that police station without signing that statement.”

The teenager maintains she was raped by members of the Israeli group.

At a hearing earlier this month a court heard one of the Israelis had told police in a statement the group had earlier talked about having sex with her in a “very bad and aggressive way”.

This is one of thoose cases where, on the evidence to hand, no one comes out looking
particularly great.

Then Israeli men appear to have engaged in consenual group sex with the British woman with one or more of them filming the incident without her knowledge


I'm not familiar with Cypriot law but this would not be rape in the UK (although other offences may apply to the filming of the incident without the females knowledge and any subsequent distribution). Given the rape case was dropped around the time the video footage came to light however we can infer that the offence of rape, in the relevant law, would not be made out in such circumstances.

The British woman appears to have lied about what actually happened because she was embrassed, after the fact, by what went on.

And the Cyptiot police and proscutors appear to have unfairly prosecuted her based on an unreliable confession which is why her conviction has now been overturned.

However this doesn't mean she was telling the truth! And what we know about the video evidence strongly indicates that she had lied to the police in her allegation

Only that the way in which her confession to lying was extracted wasn't reliable due to her being placed under duress.

I don't have much time for people who spend their time defending men or women who almost certainly have lied to the police and prosecutors about sexual matters.

Such false allegations ultimately do massive harm to genuine complaints and so people that defend false complaints do considerable harm to the cause they claim to defend.
 
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Being non-consensually filmed even if the act itself was consensual would still be voyeurism, but even so the video(s?) in question might not have captured a non-consensual rape that wasn't filmed.
 
I always thought there were something wrong about this case when Israeli men are mentioned. It seems an odd thing to be mentioning so early in the case, like someone was making a point of telling everyone their nationality.

I think also it can be difficult to know if the woman give consent because most males should know that if a number of men are around a woman, and all the men are thinking the same way it can be very intimidating against the woman. So its possible she went along with it against her judgement because she became nervous.

From how it all happened it sounds like it was a set up by the guys to not all be in the room at the start, and then walk in midway through.
 

Oh this... some poster further up seemed to be in denial that they existed then kept making reference to some claim by a lawyer that he was unable to quote.

This whole thing seems to have been a total farce on the part of the Cypriots though, questioned without a lawyer despite her objections etc.. that's just basic stuff and makes them look like a 3rd world country.
 
re Bowdon's post: That last part is probably what happened, I've heard of that happening before in a uni, one guy gets the girl to consent and then the others wait outside and essentially ambush the girl.

No doubt the video shows her having consensual sex with the one guy, which she probably regrets.
 
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