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Thats not really the trend that i have seen as amd seem to have longer cards than nv.
I think if things are close nvidia sell more as they are the bigger brand.
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GeForce GTX 590 Key Features Revealed
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Thats not really the trend that i have seen as amd seem to have longer cards than nv.
I think if things are close nvidia sell more as they are the bigger brand.
I remember it used to pop up something about doing a survey, do they just do it automatically every month now?
I remember on release my 6970's would not be recognised at all and steam had a warning about it everytime you would start a game. That would be very misleading for launch sales.
Also to say the 6950 is not the most purchased of the current generation just doesn't seem right at all, it makes no sense.
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No it still asks. It was only 2 weeks ago it popped up and asked me.
I cannot remember ever being asked on my current build (this OS install is about 18 months old).
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Will they do a phantom 6GB version? That should be good 
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Mmmmm nope, last one I saw was about the time the 6800's where released.
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I have been asked twice or more in that time.
Aye, I'm not disputing that. I wonder why it seems to be different for some people. Altthough for the crux of the argument, I'd wager that the Steam stats give a better overall picture of how things are than a single store who have a vested interest in selling the latest and greatest.
What is phase change thermal compound?That's clearly marketing BS.
Then googe it, there's plenty of references to it as far back as it being used on the athlon xp.
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Yea i would say the steam statistics are not far of the mark. Steam is pretty much a must these days for gamers.
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Never see those as important TBH. We are looking at a 'balls out' , bleeding edge performance product.
Personally I couldn't care less how much power it uses or how much heat it puts out.
Similar to Ferrari's (Using the car analogy)......Ridiculously expensive, look great, stupidly fast etc. I don't hear many Ferrari owners moaning about the environmental damage it causes in heat and noise output, tyre wear, cost of insurance, outrageous fuel consumption and mega high price tag.
What do you expect from a product like this?
Not a personal attack mate - just wondering whats happened to the pursuit of crazy performance these days
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If the 590 is 375 watts then it's straight up fight with the 6990 and it's down to the engineering and software skills of each company which must mean there's a lot of pride at stake for a lot of people.
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If this is a decent price I'm selling my 6950's and getting this, fed up with ATI's POS drivers...
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PEBKAC, ruining lives since forever.
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Doubt it, tried every fix short of reinstalling windows Zero crossfire boost (negative in some games) and gpu2 shooting straight to 100% shortly after boot unless gpuz is open... Care to help?
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Zero crossfire boost (negative in some games) and gpu2 shooting straight to 100% shortly after boot unless gpuz is open... Care to help?
If you've tried everything short of reinstalling windows, I think that's what you've gotta do.
What did you come from? Because a zero and negative boost is crossfire definitely not working. If you re-install windows and it's the same, then it's likely you'll have a hardware issue.
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The memory speed would well be right if the bus is true. A 600Mhz core simply doesn't need as much bandwidth as a 800Mhz core. Having higher voltage and higher clocked memory, with huge bandwidth thats not used is a waste of power.
Say you could have 4Ghz mem at normal voltage and 550Mhz core and a huge excess of bandwidth, or drop mem speeds 20% or so, drop voltage, drop power draw of the memory by 35-40% and up core speed to 600Mhz, which would give better performance.
The problem will come in, they won't use cheap memory, but will they let you overvolt it to "normal" levels to overclock to normal memory speeds assuming you can clock the gpu to match. Thats of course assuming dropped memory speeds. At idle my power usage at the plug drops 15W or so on a 6950 going from 1250ish to 900ish. Thats without a voltage drop so maybe they'll get enough power saving without using less voltage.
The thing of it is, and the thing that winds me up about 5970 benching against the 480 then 580gtx, is its DESIGNED TO BE OVERCLOCKED. You'd be a moron not to, the 300W limit and the lowered clocks were to hit some random targets no one buying one gave a crap about, used at intended speed it was faster, most people clocked up to, or close to 5870 speeds, if you didn't you were wasting money.
Same is true about the 6990 and the same will be true about the 590gtx, it might well be slower at stock settings than a 6990 with the same powerdraw, anyone who thought otherwise when AMD provide more performance/w, was delusional.
The question is at full pelt, is it quieter, faster, or better value, which in this case would mean cheaper than 2x580gtx, and/or faster and more expensive than the 6990 in roughly the same ratio.
If its 10% faster either at stock or max realistic clocks/noise, but it costs 30% more, rubbish, if its 15% faster and costs 10% more, or Nvidia turn the screws and decide to make it quite a bit cheaper than 2x580gtx, it could be a great card.
One of the issues with the 6990 is comparing its OC'd bios with increased powertune "overclock" potential, yet not really increasing the clocks, and the memory should be clocked as [H] clearly show its bandwidth limited.
The ultimate test is how fast both are at their absolute limit, stock will be interesting but ultimately irrelevant.
Say you could have 4Ghz mem at normal voltage and 550Mhz core and a huge excess of bandwidth, or drop mem speeds 20% or so, drop voltage, drop power draw of the memory by 35-40% and up core speed to 600Mhz, which would give better performance.
The problem will come in, they won't use cheap memory, but will they let you overvolt it to "normal" levels to overclock to normal memory speeds assuming you can clock the gpu to match. Thats of course assuming dropped memory speeds. At idle my power usage at the plug drops 15W or so on a 6950 going from 1250ish to 900ish. Thats without a voltage drop so maybe they'll get enough power saving without using less voltage.
The thing of it is, and the thing that winds me up about 5970 benching against the 480 then 580gtx, is its DESIGNED TO BE OVERCLOCKED. You'd be a moron not to, the 300W limit and the lowered clocks were to hit some random targets no one buying one gave a crap about, used at intended speed it was faster, most people clocked up to, or close to 5870 speeds, if you didn't you were wasting money.
Same is true about the 6990 and the same will be true about the 590gtx, it might well be slower at stock settings than a 6990 with the same powerdraw, anyone who thought otherwise when AMD provide more performance/w, was delusional.
The question is at full pelt, is it quieter, faster, or better value, which in this case would mean cheaper than 2x580gtx, and/or faster and more expensive than the 6990 in roughly the same ratio.
If its 10% faster either at stock or max realistic clocks/noise, but it costs 30% more, rubbish, if its 15% faster and costs 10% more, or Nvidia turn the screws and decide to make it quite a bit cheaper than 2x580gtx, it could be a great card.
One of the issues with the 6990 is comparing its OC'd bios with increased powertune "overclock" potential, yet not really increasing the clocks, and the memory should be clocked as [H] clearly show its bandwidth limited.
The ultimate test is how fast both are at their absolute limit, stock will be interesting but ultimately irrelevant.