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Geforce GTX 780, 770 coming in May

Marine-RX179 said:
Launch price of 6970 at £300 to 7970 at £450...yea, inflation is a botch and company not trying to milk the customers at all :rolleyes: If they had the 12.11 driver's performance right at launch rather than 9 months later, at least it would have justify it a bit...
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The 6970 wasn't as fast as the 580 though. 7970 is as fast/faster than the 680.
 
Rusty0611 said:
The 6970 wasn't as fast as the 580 though. 7970 is as fast/faster than the 680.
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Not at launch though...it was the GHz Edition plus the 9 months late driver that helped AMD retaken the crown. If AMD did not stretch the product life of the 7000 series from 1 year (like pass gens) to 2 years, 9 months would had been 3/4 of the product's life time which it was slower than the GTX680 (which was in fact a re-badged mid-high range card).

Should AMD had 12.11 driver performance for their 7000 series cards right at launch, we probably wouldn't have seen the Nvidia GK104 256-bit top-end card BS and then the whole opportunity for launching the GK110 as Titan at the ridiculous high price as it is now.
 
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Rroff said:
Yes. Maxwell is almost certainly going to be a big performance jump from Kepler - the compute and general shader capabilities are going to be very different and much more efficent in terms of how much space they take up for the performance they give - giving the possibilities for either much more performance or much better thermal/electrical characteristics.
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Yeah I thought as much. :cool:
 
Rusty0611 said:
It was within the margin of error to be priced around the same level as a 680 is my point. 6970 was not and as such was not priced the same as a 580. As such your example doesn't work.
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What about 7950 having the same launch price as the GTX580 despite it was launched 1 year after? Bearing in mind that other than having more vram, it was barely faster than the GTX580 at the time (due to AMD rushed the cards to the shelf and didn't have capable driver until months later).
 
I thought we were talking about how graphics card prices have changed over time...?

The point is when you factor in inflation the prices aren't too much different from back in the day. Without knowing the currency conversion mid market rates at the times in question it's impossible to determine exactly what differences there are but I'd hazard a guess and say they weren't too far apart.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
What about 7950 having the same launch price as the GTX580 despite it was launched 1 year after? Bearing in mind that other than having more vram, it was barely faster than the GTX580 at the time (due to AMD rushed the cards to the shelf and didn't have capable driver until months later).
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you are really clutching now

the 7950 was a good 15-20% faster than a 580 on launch, and was about the same price or slightly cheaper than a 580 3GB
 
Rusty0611 said:
I thought we were talking about how graphics card prices have changed over time...?

The point is when you factor in inflation the prices aren't too much different from back in the day. Without knowing the currency conversion mid market rates at the times in question it's impossible to determine exactly what differences there are but I'd hazard a guess and say they weren't too far apart.
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Indeed

I remember paying £330 for a reference 8800GTX and i seem to remember that was a good deal and the cheapest i could find one (non reference/OCUK prices were more like £375+)
 
AMD's HD 7000 Launch price was a little high IMO, they took advantage of the fact that they got in first with 28nm while Nvidia had nothing at that time.

AMD prices only came down to the level they are today when Nvidia initially mullured AMD with the 680 and 670.

Which was good for us really, that Nvidia humiliation started a trail of events that was to see AMD GPU performance shoot up past Nvidia while keeping the prices low.
AMD still have that red hot poker up their backsides which is continuing to deliver alssorts of goodies at a good price, and performance improvements.

The momentum is well with AMD now, Nvidia are having to play catch-up, the fight is back on, which should yield good things for all.
 
andybird123 said:
you are really clutching now

the 7950 was a good 15-20% faster than a 580 on launch, and was about the same price or slightly cheaper than a 580 3GB
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Well, I'm glad I am not the one with short memory:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7950/27.html

Anyway, it's not even about Nvidia vs AMD, the point I was making was that both companies WILL pull a quick one milk their customer for what they are worth when given the chance, as business is always about profit. While inflation does play a part, it is insignificant in comparison to company do things such as stacking the current top-end gen card price on top of previous gen, propertionate to the perform increase (there's no arguing at launch the 7970 got the performance crown, but when it comes to "bang for bucks"/"performance per dollar/pound" it was almost no better than the 1 year old GTX580 1.5GB, meaning any extra performance of the 7970 had over the GTX580 1.5GB had to be paid for, and pretty much none was from "moving gen".

Gregster said:
Must every thread revolve around AMD? come on men, keep on topic :)
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Sorry it wasn't meant to be about either AMD or Nvidia specifically...I was just pointing out the huge price increase is almost because of price dictation/setting everytime, rather than natural inflation. And inflation doesn't really apply for tech product anyway...I mean a Pentium 200MMX PC cost like what....nearly £1000 20 years ago, and if we were to apply the concept of inflation to computers, then I guess PC today in general would be all pricing at around £2000 now? :p And what about the pricing of the TFT monitors?

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.
 
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Marine the 7970 is a good, good amount faster than the 580 nowadays....

Your £2000 example doesn't really work either because it implies inflation doesn't factor into it that much at all. Even 10 years at 5% (very approx RPI) inflation can change the prices a lot. CPI is probably a better measurement but even 3% produces quite interesting results. So sorry to pull you up but you just have it wrongly. I'm not denying a degree of gouging occurs but I believe it's grossly over exaggerated.

Indeed it looks like AMD and nVidia are actually passing on some of the savings in the manufacturing process because if you take each years inflation since say the 8800 ultra and roll it up the top end cards are cheaper in today's money. I know this goes against a lot of what you post on the forum - i.e. price whinging - but ze numbers don't lie. :D

e.g. £300 x 1.05^10 = £488 in today's money. :)
 
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