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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

Nvidia have some what given away performance by disabling SLI support on the RTX 2070.

2 x 2070 > 2080ti

They cost on average 50% of a 2080ti but deliver more than 50% in performance individually.
 
The 20xx FE cards are overclocked. What's the gap when using a 1080ti pre-overclocked card.

I reckon 25-30% is the gap when overclocked to the max.

Does look like the first 4k ultra settings card though.
 
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Zeed said:
Interested why You and many think 1080ti should go down in price in courent state of econiomy around the world when everything is going up. Card did not lost any performance there is ZERO competition to the card since it came out and is/was selling good all the time.

So I would like to hear an logical explanation why company would cut down theirs profit margin??

So
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Perhaps like everything else in tech?

Couple of examples off top of head;

Tv's I.e. when this year's LG OLED was released (8 series) shortly before the release prices of the 7 series dropped

Mobile phones - when the samsung s9 released the s8 dropped in price

Etc etc
 
ljt said:
For a start none of those examples is even close to comparable to tech like gpus

Petrol is a finite resource so yes as the amount of oil left on the planet depletes then the cost of a product based on that will go up

Cigarettes increase in price is mainly down to taxes added by government.

Houses generally appreciate in value due to cost of land and demand outstripping supply


So I'm not really sure how any of these compare to a gpu except perhaps cars but they do drop in price when a newer model gets released
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But thats cause they want to sell old cars ASAP as they loose value HARD. With new gpus basically on pair with old (besides 2080ti that i consider Tytan RTX not an Ti card) they are just a tiny bit faster and all You gain is extras aka raytracing.

So back to car analogy. Its like buying same car after 2 year uplift and having sat nav clime controll ehated seats in standard not as extra cost extra.

Another thing is people dont consider how much more it costs NV to make those over Pascal. With size of chip image how many bad ones they have and how many less they can stick on silicon wafer. Those must cost them minimum 30% more to make than pascal.
 
ljt said:
Perhaps like everything else in tech?

Couple of examples off top of head;

Tv's I.e. when this year's LG OLED was released (8 series) shortly before the release prices of the 7 series dropped

Mobile phones - when the samsung s9 released the s8 dropped in price

Etc etc
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Ye but those actually GAIN performance image quality ect. And moving from 1080ti to 2080 as them benchmarks show all you gain is RTX that wont be used like almost at all. It's not gonna work in older games,.
Basically lowering 1080tis prive would cripple 2080 sales right ?? so Why company would do something to make less money.

If 1080ti was dropped to 500 quid and 2080 would be still 700.
Who would buy 2080 instead of 1080ti ?

Thats how I look at it ***** for US but for ANY COMPANY it would be stupid move dont You agree ??
 
Zeed said:
Interested why You and many think 1080ti should go down in price in courent state of econiomy around the world when everything is going up. Card did not lost any performance there is ZERO competition to the card since it came out and is/was selling good all the time.

So I would like to hear an logical explanation why company would cut down theirs profit margin??

So
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I never said it should, I just said I wouldn't buy it over 20 series at its current price point
 
Zeed said:
Ye but those actually GAIN performance image quality ect. And moving from 1080ti to 2080 as them benchmarks show all you gain is RTX that wont be used like almost at all. It's not gonna work in older games,.
Basically lowering 1080tis prive would cripple 2080 sales right ?? so Why company would do something to make less money.

If 1080ti was dropped to 500 quid and 2080 would be still 700.
Who would buy 2080 instead of 1080ti ?

Thats how I look at it ***** for US but for ANY COMPANY it would be stupid move dont You agree ??
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But 1080ti isn't £500 its £700+ in most places same price as 2080 which will probably have more performance, why buy a 1080ti?

And no I don't agree even if they sell all the 2080 they still have the 1080ti to sell and leaving it on the shelf isn't making it worth more.
 
bigmike20vt said:
If the above is true then tbh I am happy with that. My only issue is cost... Regardless of the reasons £1.1 K is a painful amount of cash just for GPU :(
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Indeed. If it was still in the same price bracket, then it would fly off the shelves with that performance increase.
 
Performance looks good if the video can be trusted - can surely only get better after a few driver iterations too.

Really keen to see some benchmarks of the 2070...
 
Rossi~ said:
Indeed. If it was still in the same price bracket, then it would fly off the shelves with that performance increase.
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There's a couple of things people seem to be missing with the 2k series.

Firstly, the cards are still in the same price brackets, what's changed is the naming conventions. Nvidia has killed off the Titan as a gaming plus more GPU, that brand is now just for prosumers a la Titan-V. The card named 2080ti is the new titan tier card, the card named 2080 is the new x80ti tier card, the card named 2070 is the new x80 tier card. This is why the prices look at first glance to have jumped so much, because Nvidia have retired the Titan brand and incremented the numbering of the other card tiers to be more like how they used to be prior to the 600/700 series.

Secondly, and this is kinda the funny bit, this means Nvidia are now defacto admitting they have been fleecing us for the past six years by launching midrange cards with high end numbers (I.E the 670/680 and 970/980 launching as "top end" before the real high end cards followed) which we already knew anyway, they haven't launched a high end GTX card on launch day since the GTX580, but it's funny to see them finally switch back without a word and make the fans who tried to defend them ("680 is a real flagship! the 780 is just a new tier beyond high end!" xD) look silly.
 
ubersonic said:
Secondly, and this is kinda the funny bit, this means Nvidia are now defacto admitting they have been fleecing us for the past six years by launching midrange cards with high end numbers (I.E the 670/680 and 970/980 launching as "top end" before the real high end cards followed) which we already knew anyway, they haven't launched a high end GTX card on launch day since the GTX580, but it's funny to see them finally switch back without a word and make the fans who tried to defend them ("680 is a real flagship! the 780 is just a new tier beyond high end!" xD) look silly.
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I still don't agree with this part. The 80 cards are the top end that the time they're released. As the 1080 Ti was based on the TXP, we have no idea outside of speculation whether they could have released that (due to supply) at the same time as the 80 card. If they had a limited supply then it made sense to release in small numbers as the TXP.
I'm not sure it's correct to assume that when a new gen is launched NV or even AMD could launch the full range on day 1. If not, then for the moment the top end card is whatever is released as the fastest at that time. I don't think it's all about fleecing as much as possible, although of course companies do want to maximise profits (as we all would), it's probably also about manufacturing and supply limitations.
 
Something to keep in mind is that if the leaked benchmarks are actually real, DLSS won't have been turned on.

Given the CUDA core count increase of the 2080Ti, it would not be at all unreasonable to expect its performance to be roughly in the same ballpark as these benchmarks, even if they turn out to be faked.

If we then consider the potential performance boost of using DLSS instead of traditional AA on the titles benchmarked, then we could actually see some pretty significant numbers.

After initially being pretty underwhelmed, the more I mull this over, the more optimistic I'm becoming.
 
ubersonic said:
There's a couple of things people seem to be missing with the 2k series.

Firstly, the cards are still in the same price brackets, what's changed is the naming conventions. Nvidia has killed off the Titan as a gaming plus more GPU, that brand is now just for prosumers a la Titan-V. The card named 2080ti is the new titan tier card, the card named 2080 is the new x80ti tier card, the card named 2070 is the new x80 tier card. This is why the prices look at first glance to have jumped so much, because Nvidia have retired the Titan brand and incremented the numbering of the other card tiers to be more like how they used to be prior to the 600/700 series.

Secondly, and this is kinda the funny bit, this means Nvidia are now defacto admitting they have been fleecing us for the past six years by launching midrange cards with high end numbers (I.E the 670/680 and 970/980 launching as "top end" before the real high end cards followed) which we already knew anyway, they haven't launched a high end GTX card on launch day since the GTX580, but it's funny to see them finally switch back without a word and make the fans who tried to defend them ("680 is a real flagship! the 780 is just a new tier beyond high end!" xD) look silly.
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Well if you go back to the 680 days, AMD launched the 7970, which was a very good card but let down by drivers, so NVidia released the 680 which took the crown for 1080P gaming (which was pretty much the only choice we had back then). NVidia then released the Titan, which was much faster than the 680, which AMD responded with the 290 a short time after (iirc). There has never really been a 'top card', as we have had so many iterations of GPUs from NVidia that beat each other. Titan < 980Ti. Titan Black > 980Ti. The 2080Ti is the current flagshipcard but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Titan R (possibly) that beats the current 2080Ti at some point.
 
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