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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread
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It will be interesting to see what they can pull off at 7NM though.
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I'll quite happily take your "useless, days are numbered" 2nd hand 1080ti's if it'll save me a fair few hundred pounds
ok lol. If the price is similar I would take the newer tech. Whatever floats your boat mate.
I didn't say you did bud and agreed, its days are nearing the end for sales anyways
Oh if the price is similar I agree, but if you can pick up a 1080Ti for £450 or maybe less 2nd hand, then I'd rather pay £450 and keep £300, than buy a 2080 which isn't looking to offer much better performance, maybe 10% at best. I'm all for getting as much performance for as cheap as possible.
It also doesn't help that I'm not really interested in the Ray tracing side just yet, none of the games mentioned that will support it really interest me as I'm not a big fps player any more, and the fact I'm way behind the curve with gaming anyway means 1080ti levels of performance will easily last me years
just seen that bfv has been pushed back until late november
https://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/ea-pushes-battlefield-v-to-late-november/1/
intresting
https://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/ea-pushes-battlefield-v-to-late-november/1/
intresting
Jayz2Cents seems to think that the huge price increases are simply a result of a re-shuffling of the tiers, i.e.
1080 -> 2070
1080 Ti -> 2080
Titan -> 2080 Ti
That kinda makes sense in terms of prices but the problem with that is the performance will have to increase even more than usual. Otherwise, you're just replacing one card with another that features RTX and nothing else, which is worthless given the 2 year gap and the fact that RTX is first-gen and thus going to be too new to actually use for years.
If the 2070 is comfortably better than a 1080, e.g. 30% then fair enough. I bet it won't be anywhere near that though, especially given current rumours that the 2080 will only be 30-40% faster than the 1080, which means the 2070 is only gonna be maybe 10% faster than its equivalently priced predecessor.
1080 -> 2070
1080 Ti -> 2080
Titan -> 2080 Ti
That kinda makes sense in terms of prices but the problem with that is the performance will have to increase even more than usual. Otherwise, you're just replacing one card with another that features RTX and nothing else, which is worthless given the 2 year gap and the fact that RTX is first-gen and thus going to be too new to actually use for years.
If the 2070 is comfortably better than a 1080, e.g. 30% then fair enough. I bet it won't be anywhere near that though, especially given current rumours that the 2080 will only be 30-40% faster than the 1080, which means the 2070 is only gonna be maybe 10% faster than its equivalently priced predecessor.
Sorry Legend, didn't see this reply until now.
They are already using tricks, cheats to get games running at more than 60FPS at 1080p. Things like reducing the number of Rays processed etc. Also, developers are looking into things like doing the Ray Tracing at 1080p and upscaling it and applying it to a 4K scene. Games will be able to run at acceptable frame rates, but, it will be at reduction of full Ray Tracing goodness. And it will, well, should look much better than the current Rasterised result, but it won't be full real time Ray Tracing, we are a couple of generations off from that.
Here is an interesting article.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-battlefield-5s-stunning-rtx-ray-tracing-tech
And I only mentioned you calling the internet stupid etc to point out that your common business sense has been less than accurate lately.
Based on the supposedly leaked benchmarks in the probably fake video (4K Ultra):
If true, 2080 Ti would basically be a "side grade" for me with a Titan V since they are about the same speed. At least I could sell the V to cover the 2080 Ti and make a little cash. Hopefully the second hand market isn't going to be flooded with V's!
For those of us looking for a current upgrade path (namely in the secondary market), what are the chances of 10xx cards dropping upon release of the 2080/ti cards? I was hoping I would be lucky enough to get a used 1080ti for ~£450, but they're all going for more than £500. 1080's are going for over £400, and I can't find a 1070ti for under £320.
haha this statement is kind of ironic considering the source of your information. Userbenchmark lol.
Your data is rubbish. The 1080Ti is 30 to 40% faster than the 1080Ti. Unless you are talking about 1080p resolution.
Are you joking? 1080p benchmarks?? The 1080Ti is 70-80% faster than the 980Ti. See the spoiler tab below for proof, info kindly supplied by @Aretak . And you accused me of making up facts.
Posting links to the 1080 Ti being benchmarked at 1080p is absolutely pointless. The 1080 Ti is heavily CPU bottlenecked in most games at 1080p. There is simply no CPU fast enough to properly feed it at that resolution. And that's simple to prove using the same games even at 1440p, using your "real FPS" metric via Techpowerup's review.
Userbenchmark has the 1080 Ti as 34% faster in The Witcher 3. At 1440p it's 85.2% faster.
Userbenchmark has the 1080 Ti as 33% faster in Battlefield 1. At 1440p it's 80.76% faster.
Userbenchmark has the 1080 Ti as 40% faster in GTA V. At 1440p it's 81.84% faster.
And those are the more graphically-demanding titles, before you even get into the truly absurd notion of benchmarking the 1080 Ti in the likes of CS:GO, League of Legends and World of Warcraft at 1080p. Userbenchmark's comparison is utter nonsense and the 1080 Ti is inherently crippled in any set of 1080p results. It is quite literally too fast for 1080p, at least paired with current CPU technology.
Same situation I'm in. There are a few 1080ti's gone for about £460ish on the bay that I've been watching recently. It'll be easier once the new cards are actually released though as the people who pre-ordered will keep their current card until their new one arrives
If the rumor that AIBs just got a metric ton of remaining 10xx supply from nV as they were contractually obliged, chances are used prices will continue to drop with good inventory. That said, the AIBs are going to trickle out supply so you may need to wait a bit.
Well quite, if 'tricks' are employed then that will probably give them some leeway here... and I expect that is what will happen. I just don't foresee a situation where people buying 2080Tis find turning RTX on in a game on their expensive 1440p ultrawide monitor causes it to grind to a stuttering 10FPS mess! And even after tinkering with settings it barely manages 30FPS. I just don't see that happening as it would no doubt cause a big dent in sales of these cards. So yes, tricks will probably be employed, and I agree "full real time ray tracing" is a while off... not least because developers are only just getting familiar with these cards and the tech, so it's going to be a while before they figure out how best to optimise things. It's going to be a slow trickle of RTX content (some better implementing it than others), while in the meantime I think pure GPU grunt and DLSS are going to be the more obvious improvements on the 20xx series... more so at higher resolutions.
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Agree if it's £300 more then yes a 1080Ti would be great. but it seems the 1080Ti and 2080 are very similarly priced at the moment
I didn't say you did bud and agreed, its days are nearing the end for sales anyways
That's ok mate. In the end we all agree
Given that he said he didnt have the figures to hand, I would say yes, bit of speculation and you're coming to speculative conclusions over a few words not certainties and also over "leaks".
Ever head of sandbagging? It's where a company will underplay something.
Don't get me wrong I'm not expecting big numbers but I thought this was more about the 2080 being the same as the old Ti? I'm saying it will be a decent amount faster. 10%, 20%. I'd go with more like 20% myself.
But it is all just speculation
I'll be happy to be proven wrong but as I said, I'm applying a bit of simple logic, balance of probabilities to my conclusion. I don't need to look at all the fake leaks out there and a dodgy interview with someone who says they have no exact figures to hand. It's making me laugh how the same discussions are still happening over a week later - pure speculation.
So what about when the tensor cores are put to good use with new games? we have no idea how they're going to perform vs the "old" cards. We do know visuals are going to be improved at least.
Regardless of what people currently say, the serious amount of speculation and interest the cards are drumming up shows most people want them. Otherwise, people really wouldn't care, right?
I think many are hoping the reviews are bad rather than expecting them to be. If things look pretty decent then folks have to decide whether to splash out or keep to the "old" stuff
Are you joking me man that Tom Petersen doesn't know the exact performance figures? LOL Not a hope.
Sandbagging? In a launch that's been plagued with bad press, huge price rises, rumours of poor performances, articles about low frame rates in Ray Traced games, etc. Sandbagging, haha. Nope.
You aren't applying any logic, you are dismissing what the Technical Marketing Director of Nvidia is saying because it doesn't suit your beliefs. All the leaks so far combined with what Tom Petersen says suggests strongly that the performance in standard games between the 1080Ti and the 2080 will be broadly similar.
Tensor cores, Ray Tracing cores, have nothing to do with the figures that Tom Petersen mentioned. It was discussing the performance in standard games, games that haven't been developed to use either Ray Tracing or DLSS, you know, most of the games currently on the Market?
@melmac Seeing as TP has been quoted above with a few numbers based around what was said. I think some text has been left out:
"Turing is a beast. It’s going to significantly improve the gaming experience on old games and it’s going to rock it when you adopt new technology…”
If two at last two of those three things make folks smile then it's wallets out time soon
So Guess he isn't Sandbagging after all and the figures he quotes are exactly where the performance will be on release.
Well the new chinese factories could be the drastic measure we need, a new player to force their prices down.
Don't understand what he means by new tier. The 2080Ti is the same tier part as the 1080ti, 980Ti, 780Ti. Same with the 2080, and I would bet money that the 2070 will be the same tier part as the previous generations too, ie. the 1070, 970, 770.
There isn't any new Tier, they just increased the prices.
But that's been my point all along, If you use Real Time Ray Tracing, it will tank framerate because the GPU grunt isn't there yet. And the only way they will get it to playable frame rates is by faking it basically. The important thing isn't the overall performance, it's that Ray Tracing is finally in consumer level GPUs and game developers are using it, the performance will come down the line with future cards. That's why I didn't agree with you when you said it would be a disaster for Nvidia. It won't, even if the cards themselves aren't a massive success, it will be another feather in Nvidia's cap.
This is a great video on Ray Tracing, worth a watch.