Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

GAC · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:12

spikerules said:
Bit of a stupid question, but when the RTX cores are enabled and actually used will the GPU run even hotter?

rtx cores and the tensor cores as well. should crank up the power usage and temps a fair bit i bet. i can see some people when they first get either of them working having power issues if they are on 650 watts psu's as people have already had on lower grade ones.

Gerard · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:14

GAC said:
rtx cores and the tensor cores as well. should crank up the power usage and temps a fair bit i bet. i can see some people when they first get either of them working having power issues if they are on 650 watts psu's as people have already had on lower grade ones.

If it does crank up temps that doesn't bode well for FE owners who are already seeing 80c+ temps. It'll be throttle central.

Cooper · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:23

Gerard said:
If it does crank up temps that doesn't bode well for FE owners who are already seeing 80c+ temps. It'll be throttle central.

..but that form factor is to die for

spikerules · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:46

GordyR said:
I expect so yes. But the cards are currently pretty cool right now under heavy load, at least mine is anyway.

Mine isn’t. Reaches 80-85 under heavy load with certain games and that’s with a custom fan curve that hurts my ears.

I guess I’ll have to take the OC off when the cores are enabled.

GordyR · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:49

spikerules said:
Mine isn’t. Reaches 80-85 under heavy gaming.

My CPU is watercooled so perhaps my 2080Ti is cooler because of the lower ambient temperature in the case.

It sits at around 50-55 on an average game, and barely goes much over 60 when really pushed with something demanding.

Gerard · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:50

spikerules said:
Mine isn’t. Reaches 80-85 under heavy load with certain games and that’s with a custom fan curve that hurts my ears.

I guess I’ll have to take the OC off when the cores are enabled.

And thats on a card with a third party cooler that's larger than the FE cooler. :eek:

GordyR · 19 Oct 2018 at 13:52

Oh wait... In fairness, I do always set the fan curves to 100% on at all times, since I don't mind noise at all and like a cool case.

That's probably the reason mine seems so cool.

GAC · 19 Oct 2018 at 14:00

Gerard said:
If it does crank up temps that doesn't bode well for FE owners who are already seeing 80c+ temps. It'll be throttle central.

IF is the question no idea how much they will effect it but its bound to do a little at least. maybe we'l find out in a year or so when theres rtx and dlss games

JediFragger · 19 Oct 2018 at 14:00

spikerules said:
Mine isn’t. Reaches 80-85 under heavy load with certain games and that’s with a custom fan curve that hurts my ears.

Dear God, 64c max'd with a Zotac Amp and pretty quiet!

DarrenM343 · 19 Oct 2018 at 15:07

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yeah,but some of these companies are not as riskier as you might think,due to their links with certain bigger companies with plenty of money too. The thing is you have to consider Nvidia like Intel wants huge margins,so if other competitors come along who are willing to be more flexible,make far more specialised hardware and do it cheaper,they start to eat away at the share and business of bigger incumbents. My view with Turing is Nvidia certainly knows that machine learning is becoming far more crowded now,but the VFX market is bigger than PC gaming,and they are trying to push hard into it. Turing makes less sense from a pure gaming perspective due to its huge die sizes and lack of software support for its major features,but it makes more sense for agressively entering VFX,whilst using consumer sales to soak up poorer quality GPUs and giving Nvidia a fallback option in case VFX sales don't scale up as high as they want them to do. It also means Nvidia can reduce the number of lines they have. It used to be common to have one line of GPUs handling all the tasks - they split the lines with Maxwell until now,and its partly why AMD had no real way of competing,as Nvidia could specialise products better but the costs looked enormous, so I was wondering how long it would be sustainable since tape outs are probably getting more and more expensive with each new generation. Now,it seems they are going back to the old ways of doing things of "one size fits all" GPUs,and it means normally all those other features wouldn't be used for gaming(the machine learning aspects fo example),now have some kind of use in games,which is what I find clever.

The issue with the AMD graphics division for years now is that they do probably have some very good engineers(considering how much more resources Nvidia has),but I do think unlike Nvidia their focus wasn't quite there,and it was compounded by the lack of R and D money,especially in light of Zen R and D costs. Hopefully,with some of old ATI people back in charge,they can focus better,and even if they can't match Nvidia product for product,at least do the products they release better.

One thing to about companies relying on larger ones for income is that that revenue avenue can suddenly disappear if the company switches suppliers or even takes thing in-house which does sometimes happen (Apple have done this a few time recently I believe). Will have a closer look at some of the AI companies too.
It's interesting what AMD can do on the GPU front looking ahead.

Gerard said:
If it does crank up temps that doesn't bode well for FE owners who are already seeing 80c+ temps. It'll be throttle central.

Not seen over 70c with a 2080. Fans never go over 41% either. The difference between FE and non FE cards regarding cooling IMO is fairly minimal now, just that the AIB cards all look like cheap tat

while being up to £300 more expensive and probably a few degrees cooler while being the size of a brick. IMO it's either FE cooler or watercooling.

Gerard · 19 Oct 2018 at 15:32

DarrenM343 said:
, just that the AIB cards all look like cheap tat while being up to £300 more expensive and probably a few degrees cooler while being the size of a brick. IMO it's either FE cooler or watercooling.

Dunno about that, i think the DUKE with a vertical orientation in a case would look pretty good.

bru · 19 Oct 2018 at 15:32

GordyR said:
I bought one and i'm not stupid with money. I was in the market for a GPU, wanted to buy top of the range to match the rest of my new build, and I had no problem affording it.

GordyR said:
It's really that simple...

You have absolutely no right to judge others for how they choose to spend their disposable income.

I suspect that if I were to go through your monthly bank transactions, there would be a huge number of things that I would consider entirely superfluous and a huge waste of money.

But you probably wouldn't consider those things a waste, and more importantly, it would be none of my business.

GordyR said:
Nonsense...

I was accused of being stupid with my money for being able to afford an expensive GPU.

That’s not on...

The only reason I could afford one in the first place is because I’m actually pretty good at managing my money.

The prices are high because right now, AMD cannot compete. We should expect this to change at some point soon as they’ve announced that they’re moving their R&D budget over to GPU’s now that they’re competitive in the CPU arena again.

I think that NVidia’s price hikes and launch was just as bad as everyone else does, but I won’t be told that I’m stupid, by some faceless nobody on the internet, simply for spending my own money on something I chose to.

The people calling others stupid know absolutely nothing about people’s financial situations, and don’t even consider that some might be using the cards daily, in a professional capacity, as I am.

Some people need to get over themselves.

Well said.

Maybe I should moan and berate anyone who goes to the pub and spends money on alcohol, or spends anything on golf stuff, photography stuff, cars and car stuff etc..

People can spend their money on what they want to and anyone who thinks differently are free to think whatever they like, but moaning and belittling people in every thread gets very old very quickly.

DarrenM343 · 19 Oct 2018 at 15:42

Gerard said:
Dunno about that, i think the DUKE with a vertical orientation in a case would look pretty good.

it definitely looks one of the better ones

, but on OCUK the Ti also nearly £200 more expensive than a Ti FE and looking at a few quick reviews, around 3.5% faster in some of the better scenario's, even less in others.
If I remember correctly even Pascal FE cards clocked as high as AIB's, just noisey when doing so if the fan was ramped up, so often the better cooling did not result in an ultimate higher FPS. The twin fan design helps alleviate that noise issue.

GordyR · 19 Oct 2018 at 15:43

bru said:
People can spend their money on what they want to and anyone who thinks differently are free to think whatever they like, but moaning and belittling people in every thread gets very old very quickly.

Spot on. Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

easyrider · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:02

Satchfanuk said:
Ah, good choice plus the comments will be ray-traced and look epic

Apparently you can see your refelection in the monitor screen with RT enabled when watching YouTube content.

GordyR · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:17

easyrider said:
Apparently you can see your refelection in the monitor screen with RT enabled when watching YouTube content.

Am I to assume that anyone who buys a GPU that you and Satchfanuk personally deem too powerful, is not allowed to watch YouTube or visit forums any more?

Should I unplug it any use the iGPU every time I wan't to browse the net?

I'm just wondering what you guys would consider acceptable.

In all seriousness, this is getting a little old now.

spikerules · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:18

Gerard said:
And thats on a card with a third party cooler that's larger than the FE cooler.

It’s not larger it’s the EVGA 2080Ti XC Ultra. It’s a lot fatter though

Gregster · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:28

bru said:
Well said.

Maybe I should moan and berate anyone who goes to the pub and spends money on alcohol, or spends anything on golf stuff,

Ohhhh man, I own a 2080Ti, just on my way to the pub also and my golf bag costs more than most people's PC. Bring on the hate (mind you, give it 3 hours and I won't care as I will be drunk)

easyrider · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:28

GordyR said:
Am I to assume that anyone who buys a GPU that you and Satchfanuk personally deem too powerful, is not allowed to watch YouTube or visit forums any more?

Should I unplug it any use the iGPU every time I wan't to browse the net?

I'm just wondering what you guys would consider acceptable.

In all seriousness, this is getting a little old now.

Eh ?

GordyR · 19 Oct 2018 at 16:54

easyrider said:
Eh ?