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Geforce Pascal Review thread
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Looking at Rise of the Tomb Raider. The 1080 may be 50% faster in DX12. In DX11 it's 25% faster. I guess Nvidia is now doing real asynchronous.
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Pascal still doesn't have hardware-based asynchronous shaders?
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I think if you have a GTX 980 Ti that overclocks to nearly 1500 MHz this would be above a side grade. Such as 980 vs 780 Ti.
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It's an upgrade but for the outlay it's not great. It's a new toy for those that like to tinker and test. I have full permission from the misses to upgrade my full setup but I just don't want to waste cash as I can play anything at close to max. Pc is no longer pushing the boundaries like it used to. My old i7 is still performing and my 290 is still decent. When I first started with PC hardware it was exciting and moving forward at a good rate unlike this which to me is not that great. To those buying enjoy but I miss the good old days where a new launch truly pushed the boat out.
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The cards with superior coolers will cost more LOL... There is no chance a founders (reference) edition going for £620 is going to make for example a EVGA Classified version cheaper
This is Nvidia price bumping the range, get real. The only cheaper versions than a Founders (reference) will be the tacky and cheap plastic blower shrouds and they will be about £50-65 cheaper.
In time we will see a price drop on these if AMD bring out a card that has about the same performance and a lot cheapr. The new mid range price is now £600+ this is what Nvidia has done.
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But it doesnt tank in DX12, its still the fastest in DX12 by a long shot and probably will stay that way this side of christmas
No, because that just means developers aren't as good as Nvidia at developing graphics code and that Pascal like Maxwell has a very well designed command processor that doesn't bottleneck under DX11.
In games like Ashes it is over 42% faster than the 980Ti, the biggest leads come from the newest games.
If some of the rumors about Polaris having an architecture more simulator Maxwell then you may well see the same thing. DX12 isn't some magical API that gives instance performance, it just helps alleviate a draw call bottle neck that game developers have been working around for 20 years or more.
Kepler and Maxwell have do async compute in hardware, its certain that Pascal does as well. Nvidia have aodne a lot fo work to reduce context switch costs and this shows. AOTS and Hitman both use Async shaders and the 1080 has the highest performance gains in these games.
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If all things were equal the 1080 would slide in at around GTX980 price point as that's the card it's really replacing not the 980ti.
I was watching Linus Tech Tips 1080 review and Skywalker had a graph up at the end showing the cost per $ for every frame per second and comparing the value to TitanX, 390x and 980 sli. The trouble was he admitted he used the lower mrsp price quoted by Nvidia and not the reference price that we will have to pay initially. I thought that's dangerous becuse we have no garantees that this $100 price drop will come bout once 3rd party designs come out and as the poster bove alluded to they will most 3rd party cards will cost more not less.
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Yea it does look like Nvidia called the 1080 the founders edition to slap some profit on. I don't see why vendors would put out better cards and price them lower. The price is to high to sell in good volume which is the only reason I can see it happening.
So much hypocrisy it's not even funny. The fact that people say it's not a good upgrade because you can overclock the 980TI to 1500mhz is daft. Did they forget that the 1080 overclocks too? And was it not too long ago these people were harping on about why you should get the 980TI not the Furyx because it can be overclocked to beat a Furyx soundly, even though at 1440p stock they are the same.
Point being the 1080 overclocked will once again solidly beat the overclocked 980ti.
Compare stock to stock or overclocked to overclocked...
Point being the 1080 overclocked will once again solidly beat the overclocked 980ti.
Compare stock to stock or overclocked to overclocked...
The madness of it all is that I thought Nvidia specifically priced the FE so that they WOULDN'T undercut AIB's?? That being the case, AIB's releasing cards at the same price point or higher reveals that whole endeavour to be a sham and nothing more than a means by which to rape the consumer for even more cash!! It could turn out the only $599 card is the bargain basement cheapo brands that genuinely are worse than the FE! I REALLY hope this isn't the situation we're faced with a month from now! 
I came to see if I should upgrade from my H20 980Ti and I think this sums it up for me.
When will big pascal come? I.e., the 1080Ti?
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What you are failing to take into consideration is the 1080 looks to be a bad overclocker's like FuryX. The gtx980ti on the other hand is pretty good so makes up a lot of ground when both get pushed. The throttling links are even worse as if true when that hits your gaming performance will tank.
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Early next year if rumors are true.