Geforce Pascal Review thread

[1kiwi]

Early next year if rumors are true.

Going to be a long wait then although my 980Ti is more than holding its own.

 

[andybird123]

What you are failing to take into consideration is the 1080 looks to be a bad overclocker's like FuryX. The gtx980ti on the other hand is pretty good so makes up a lot of ground when both get pushed. The throttling links are even worse as if true when that hits your gaming performance will tank.

Because reviewers using the stock fan profile on reference cards are bound to be representative of the entire range?

 

[AStaley]

Some nice benchmarks for the 1080, but I'll stick with my 980Ti a bit longer and maybe past the 1080Ti as well. A lot will depend on if the games out then need the extra horsepower.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Because reviewers using the stock fan profile on reference cards are bound to be representative of the entire range?

For 600 smackeroonies it's not good enough. Does this card seriously impress you as you had a top class 980ti. Buying this will cost you a decent amount for what looks like little benefit.

 

[easyrider]

For 600 smackeroonies it's not good enough. Does this card seriously impress you as you had a top class 980ti. Buying this will cost you a decent amount for what looks like little benefit.

More ram faster card increased fps ?

 

[TheRealDeal]

The Ti still fairs well for people who run oc's. To me it looks like you will barely notice your £150-250 update. Just guessing in the price going buy what people are saying. Anow you look at it it's a poor investment. I got my 290 for less than the mid point. It's another free pass to get fleeced.

More ram not to bad but I doubt it's needed on this class of card. When OCed is the fps upgrade enough compared to what you had to notice?

 

[easyrider]

The Ti still fairs well for people who run oc's. To me it looks like you will barely notice your £150-250 update. Just guessing in the price going buy what people are saying. Anow you look at it it's a poor investment. I got my 290 for less than the mid point. It's another free pass to get fleeced.

More ram not to bad but I doubt it's needed on this class of card. When OCed is the fps upgrade enough compared to what you had to notice?

It's about minumum fps

I'll be buying at 549 max.

Not sure what you mean on ram ? The Titan had 12gb...

Fact is the 1080 is faster will overclock to 2ghz and it will cost me 150

What's not to get ?

Did I mention resale value ?

 

[MrSniper]

Has anyone got a confirmed price on the GTX 1080 ? When will this be confirmed?

 

[Lokken86]

What you are failing to take into consideration is the 1080 looks to be a bad overclocker's like FuryX. The gtx980ti on the other hand is pretty good so makes up a lot of ground when both get pushed. The throttling links are even worse as if true when that hits your gaming performance will tank.

Looks like it overclock reasonably well to me. Enough to regain at least a 20% lead on the TI. Also my point is people could just as easily have said there is no point buying a 980TI if you overclock the Fury but leave the 980 at stock, or not to buy the 970 because a 780 will overclock to the same level as long as you leave the 970 stock again.

 

[drunkenmaster]

So much hypocrisy it's not even funny. The fact that people say it's not a good upgrade because you can overclock the 980TI to 1500mhz is daft. Did they forget that the 1080 overclocks too? And was it not too long ago these people were harping on about why you should get the 980TI not the Furyx because it can be overclocked to beat a Furyx soundly, even though at 1440p stock they are the same.

Point being the 1080 overclocked will once again solidly beat the overclocked 980ti.

Compare stock to stock or overclocked to overclocked...

I think the point you seem to be missing is stock vs stock the 1080 is say 20-30% faster, but the 980ti overclocks by 30% and the 1080 overclocks by 10%. So for the cost of £600+ you max overclock vs max overclock, end up about 10-15% faster which in real life isn't going to make a big difference. 4k won't become playable from a 980ti to a 1080, neither will you go from 60 to 90fps at 1440p in a tough game.

When you go from a lets say 5870 to a 7970 you could genuinely say game at 60fps vs 35fps in some games, or game at 1440p vs 1080p with a similar frame rate, it brought around a completely different feel to your gaming. Honestly even 20-30% barely gives you that feel, 50-80% is the big noticeable difference and people both shouldn't have expected that level of performance but they are disappointed as stock sounds impressive but max overclock vs max overclock looks distinctly less impressive than stock vs stock.

To a large degree this is an overclock Pascal and with turbo boost 3.0 that uses more of the available overclock as standard leaving less extra overclocking to gain.


What I haven't seen yet is what kind of power increase is seen from overclocking, not spotted power from overclocking numbers in any reviews yet.

EDIT:- also can someone point out which reviews show the cards throttling with prolonged gaming as again I haven't actually spotted which reviews are showing that as opposed to just forum posts saying it's happening.

 

[Lokken86]

I think the point you seem to be missing is stock vs stock the 1080 is say 20-30% faster, but the 980ti overclocks by 30% and the 1080 overclocks by 10%. So for the cost of £600+ you max overclock vs max overclock, end up about 10-15% faster which in real life isn't going to make a big difference. 4k won't become playable from a 980ti to a 1080, neither will you go from 60 to 90fps at 1440p in a tough game.

When you go from a lets say 5870 to a 7970 you could genuinely say game at 60fps vs 35fps in some games, or game at 1440p vs 1080p with a similar frame rate, it brought around a completely different feel to your gaming. Honestly even 20-30% barely gives you that feel, 50-80% is the big noticeable difference and people both shouldn't have expected that level of performance but they are disappointed as stock sounds impressive but max overclock vs max overclock looks distinctly less impressive than stock vs stock.

To a large degree this is an overclock Pascal and with turbo boost 3.0 that uses more of the available overclock as standard leaving less extra overclocking to gain.


What I haven't seen yet is what kind of power increase is seen from overclocking, not spotted power from overclocking numbers in any reviews yet.

EDIT:- also can someone point out which reviews show the cards throttling with prolonged gaming as again I haven't actually spotted which reviews are showing that as opposed to just forum posts saying it's happening.

Ok point taken.

Even so I don't get why anyone really expected this card to be a worthy upgrade from a 980ti. This is to replace the standard 980. I wasn't expecting my mind to be blown by the performance in comparison to the TI but when you look at it compared to its predecessor it's very good. And don't forget the 980 also had a high price tag at first even though it wasn't a lot faster than the 780ti either.

 

[Rroff]

EDIT:- also can someone point out which reviews show the cards throttling with prolonged gaming as again I haven't actually spotted which reviews are showing that as opposed to just forum posts saying it's happening.

In the PCPER stream they were dropping to 19xxMHz unless they kept the fan ramped up and looked like power limits were kicking them down to 2025MHz at times even when the cooling wasn't causing the boost to drop.

 

[Kaapstad]

I think the point you seem to be missing is stock vs stock the 1080 is say 20-30% faster, but the 980ti overclocks by 30% and the 1080 overclocks by 10%. So for the cost of £600+ you max overclock vs max overclock, end up about 10-15% faster which in real life isn't going to make a big difference. 4k won't become playable from a 980ti to a 1080, neither will you go from 60 to 90fps at 1440p in a tough game.

When you go from a lets say 5870 to a 7970 you could genuinely say game at 60fps vs 35fps in some games, or game at 1440p vs 1080p with a similar frame rate, it brought around a completely different feel to your gaming. Honestly even 20-30% barely gives you that feel, 50-80% is the big noticeable difference and people both shouldn't have expected that level of performance but they are disappointed as stock sounds impressive but max overclock vs max overclock looks distinctly less impressive than stock vs stock.

To a large degree this is an overclock Pascal and with turbo boost 3.0 that uses more of the available overclock as standard leaving less extra overclocking to gain.


What I haven't seen yet is what kind of power increase is seen from overclocking, not spotted power from overclocking numbers in any reviews yet.

EDIT:- also can someone point out which reviews show the cards throttling with prolonged gaming as again I haven't actually spotted which reviews are showing that as opposed to just forum posts saying it's happening.

The point you are missing is you are comparing Big Maxwell to Mid range Pascal.

Compare big Maxwell to big Pascal when it arrives and there will be a massive jump in performance.

The 5870 and 7970 were both the top cards from their families of GPUs, or in other words you were comparing big with big for the AMD cards.

 

[Troezar]

The point you are missing is you are comparing Big Maxwell to Mid range Pascal.

Compare big Maxwell to big Pascal when it arrives and there will be a massive jump in performance.

The 5870 and 7970 were both the top cards from their families of GPUs, or in other words you were comparing big with big for the AMD cards.

I think the point was if you have a 980Ti wait for the 1080Ti for that big upgrade feeling As you say a like for like upgrade.

 

[ukxenon]

Now to wait and see what amd do

 

[Toss3]

So much hypocrisy it's not even funny. The fact that people say it's not a good upgrade because you can overclock the 980TI to 1500mhz is daft. Did they forget that the 1080 overclocks too? And was it not too long ago these people were harping on about why you should get the 980TI not the Furyx because it can be overclocked to beat a Furyx soundly, even though at 1440p stock they are the same.

Point being the 1080 overclocked will once again solidly beat the overclocked 980ti.

Compare stock to stock or overclocked to overclocked...

How is it daft to compare what people have now to something they could consider buying? We all know the GTX 980 Ti is as fast as the stock GTX 1080 at 1500mhz, so the only difference will be the percentage in overclocking, but because clocks are already so high an extra 400mhz even would only gain you ~25%. We also know the performance of the GTX 1080 doesn't scale linearly so the difference would probably be more like 20%. It's still too early to tell if the card is power-limited, or if it is something else like software that is holding the clocks so it could go much higher stilll.

Now let's say you do get it to 2150mhz (400mhz increase) that would translate to 12 extra fps in a 60fps title 9fps in a 45fps one.Tthen you have to ask yourself if the steep price of the GTX 1080 is really worth an extra 10-15 fps, especially when you know that Vega and Pascal 1080ti are just 6months away and that their release will probably cause the price of the GTX 1080 to fall, just like the price of the GTX 980 fell once the GTX 980 Ti was released. 619£ isn't really worth it for only 20% extra for 6 months, unless of course you got a really good price selling the GTX 980 Ti. Now we're just waiting to see how the custom cards perform (GTX 1080 at 2500mhz would easily make it worth it, but 2100mhz not so much).

 

[haszek]

The cards with superior coolers will cost more LOL... There is no chance a founders (reference) edition going for £620 is going to make for example a EVGA Classified version cheaper

This is Nvidia price bumping the range, get real. The only cheaper versions than a Founders (reference) will be the tacky and cheap plastic blower shrouds and they will be about £50-65 cheaper.

In time we will see a price drop on these if AMD bring out a card that has about the same performance and a lot cheapr. The new mid range price is now £600+ this is what Nvidia has done.

Exactly this.

Market is greedy they won't sell to you something that is faster (overclocks better, better cooling etc) for cheaper price.

 

[straxusii]

Same for me. On one Titan X now, considering keeping for a 1080TI or jumping to this. The Titan X is so close but not quite, so this might be perfect.

Keep in mind the overclock, I tested last night and get +20% framerate in Doom when overclocked. I generally don't see that overclock in the 1080 reviews.

 

[1kiwi]

Whats are the max overclock folks are seeing? How do they compare against overclocked 980Tis?

 

[nashathedog]

Here's a good old graphs only look at how the 1080 compares to the competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfThkfqghsY

Sorry if it's already been posted.