It would be an incredibly clever (cynical?) move by Cameron, especially after manoeuvring Milliband into ruling out working with the SNP.
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Totally agree, we see that I just don't know why others struggle to see the same thing.
A party run by a public schoolboy and city trader who was a former tory and been living off the EU expenses for a decade now
This is why I fully support people voting UKIP (splitting the right wing vote is a good thing).
Especially when 7% of the country are "known" racists.
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That's why I have no issues with the SNP having a say in our politics, we have lost the left in our politics ever since 'New Labour' lurched to the right.
Thats really very easy to understand, they offer an actual alternative to the three main political parties.
e.g pretty much the entire political spectrum in Britain is in favour of being in the EU and does not want to give the people a referendum.
UKIP is the only party that wants UK to exit the EU.
They represent a part of the electorate that pretty much has zero representation in parliament.
I don't either; I do however have a slight issue with the amount of say, but voting reform doesn't seem to be on anybody's (in politics) mind at present.
Scotland and the SNP are not the same thing, you can like Scotland and it's people while hating the SNP and their dirty tactics.
Sounds crazy but in reality it's probably more likely than LabSNP, I have no doubt Sturgeon would do a deal with Satan if it keeps Scotland off hell's radar.
However the is the point that it could be almost as damaging to the SNP as LabSNP would for Labour. The SNP have increased their support dramatically on their campaign of basically "don't bother voting for Labour, vote for us and you will get Labour plus some extra cake we secure for Scotland". If they dealt with the tories they would lose a massive amount of former Labour voters that bought into that.
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The SNP are not even to the left of Labour. In fact I'd describe the SNP as pretty much a centrist party.
Bit like how the Tories constantly criticised Labour's unfunded spending commitments, then announced £12bn of their own when they were taking a spanking in the media over the NHS.
Cameron is without doubt a Europhile and wants the UK to remain in the EU.
I have zero confidence in anything Cameron says, the Tory party in general has lost the trust of many voters.
I don't think the Leadership of the Tories want a referendum on Europe either tbh, they just keep talking about it to keep the back benchers happy and the electorate on side.
Indeed, which is why I campaigned for Scotland to leave the union, a system with gaping holes in it will just lead to abuse, which the SNP have done to great effect over the years - remember how all EU citizens get free tuition fees in Scotland except the English, Welsh and Northern Irish?
Dirty tactics are what make parties successful, hardly a great thing to complain about.
I have no need to drill into this issue, it bores me.
I do feel this election should be a reason for further voting reform.
As it stands.
If you vote for the Green party, Plaid or the SNP - you are increasing your chances of getting the Conservatives. The least desirable outcome for most of their voter base.
If you vote for UKIP - you are essentially increasing your chances of getting Labour, with no EU referendum - again the least desirable outcome for their voter base.
Voting for the Liberal Democrats could see them propping up either a Conservative or Labour main party - each option is against one of the least desirable outcomes for two sides of the party.
Is it just me who thinks there is something seriously wrong with how this election is playing out?.
As it stands.
If you vote for the Green party, Plaid or the SNP - you are increasing your chances of getting the Conservatives. The least desirable outcome for most of their voter base.
If you vote for UKIP - you are essentially increasing your chances of getting Labour, with no EU referendum - again the least desirable outcome for their voter base.
Voting for the Liberal Democrats could see them propping up either a Conservative or Labour main party - each option is against one of the least desirable outcomes for two sides of the party.
Is it just me who thinks there is something seriously wrong with how this election is playing out?.
There isn't any real hope of that in the short term.
I don't necessarily disagree but yes we'll have to wait and see I suppose.
To redress one thing I meant to put in my post before you'd quoted me though, if the reason to vote UKIP was to get representation with a view to leaving Europe then that is understandable.
My point however was that I don't understand the fanatical core that continually bleat on about UKIP being different and a breath of fresh air, and that Farage is a charismatic straight talking man of the people: this is simply not true. I didn't say I don't understand why people want to vote for UKIP, did I? I think my exact phrase was "I don't understand how UKIP have pulled the wool over so many people's eyes".
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