Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 3 0.3%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 403 42.2%

  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 59 6.2%

  • Labour

    Votes: 176 18.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 67 7.0%

  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 42 4.4%

  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 8 0.8%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Respect Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 37 3.9%

  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 154 16.1%
  • Total voters
    956
  • Poll closed .
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McBain said:
No problem with Scotland influencing UK politics, they are after all still a part of the UK. A separatist party who wanted no part in the union however, doesn't sit well with me.
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Yeah, quite. I don't have anything against Scotland's part; I have a lot against a bunch of petty minded little nationalists like the SNP pulling the strings in government. They're a party with very little reason to govern for the good of the UK and especially in a hung parliament that's a dangerous proposition.

Still, Labour/SNP is still a whole load better than another five years of Cameron.
 
Moses said:
In recent history, the Tories actually got quite a lot of support in Scotland... it's just spread out. In the recent polling they're on 17% compared to the Labour 20%. Then in 2010 they got 412 855 votes, compared with 465 471 and 491 386 for the Lib Dems and SNP (1 035 528 for Labour :p).
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Our FPTP system exaggerates the extent to which the Tories are unpopular in Scotland to an extraordinary degree.
 
ghutchison14078 said:
I know, imagine the audacity of Scotland being allowed to influence UK politics.
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This is such a tiresome line.

The issue is not with Scotland influencing UK politics. We've done that for centuries. The issue is with who a minority of Scots are potentially electing and the disproportionate impact that will have on the rest of the nation.

It seems to me that the SNP voters are by far the most insipid of people, because I cannot believe for the life of me that they are stupid enough to believe their own hyperbole.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
This is such a tiresome line.

The issue is not with Scotland influencing UK politics. We've done that for centuries. The issue is with who a minority of Scots are potentially electing and the disproportionate impact that will have on the rest of the nation.

It seems to me that the SNP voters are by far the most insipid of people, because I cannot believe for the life of me that they are stupid enough to believe their own hyperbole.
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Ok, lets just assume for a second the every Scot who votes for the SNP is not stupid; to what would you attribute the gains the SNP have made (if the polls are correct), that are not related to the intelligence of said voters?

They haven't all decided to vote SNP instead of Labour due to a recent sharp drop in IQ.
 
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ghutchison14078 said:
Fully understand your feelings towards the nationalist element of the SNP.

However, from a Scottish point of view I believe the reasons so many voters up here have turned to the SNP is because Labour has drifted too far from its traditional Left-wing socialist roots; which is what made it the go-to party for the majority of Scottish voters for so many years. Scot's aren't necessarily voting for the SNP in this election to show they back the separatist policies of the SNP (I believe a recent referendum also backs this opinion), they just want a stronger left-wing Scottish representation at Westminster level. In an ideal world we would be voting for the SP (Scottish Party), pretty much the same as the SNP but without all the separatist bits.

Tories are a write off in Scotland, so they don't even equate.

Lib Dems, whilst they have some sound policies and are a bit more center, they are never going to form the core of a government so whats the point in voting for them.

Greens, good for the environment; not much good for anything else (we'll probably all be voting green in 50 years anyway when the oil has ran out and there's no food left)

UKIP, LOL.

So whats left?

Obviously I cant't speak for everyone in Scotland - but what I've outlined above is how that majority of people in my circle of friends and family feel about the political landscape up here, particularly since the referendum.
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I think you are spot on.
I agree with a vast majority of the SNP manifesto but strong;y detest their separatist goals. Many people will vote SNP because they really are the only major party that isn't far right.

New Labour is further right than almost every Conservative party in the 20th century. Just because the Tories have shifted even further right leaving Labour to their left doesn't make Labour a center left party, it is still moderate right.


the problem with the Lib Dems is they formed a coalition with the Tories which has lost them a load of votes, that is the last thing most LibDem voters wanted to happen in 2010 and is the sole reason I didn't vote for them this time round.
 
Moses said:
In recent history, the Tories actually got quite a lot of support in Scotland... it's just spread out. In the recent polling they're on 17% compared to the Labour 20%. Then in 2010 they got 412 855 votes, compared with 465 471 and 491 386 for the Lib Dems and SNP (1 035 528 for Labour :p). Obviously if you combine all the votes for the parties to the left of the Tories, they're outweighed quite a bit... but it's still interesting how much support they get, considering how they're talked of as being super unpopular north of the border.
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As you point out, that is mostly because there is a coherent right vote and a segregated a left-center in Scotland, UKIP doesn't even play apart so the Tories get almost all right wing votes in scotland.
 
Mr Jack said:
Our FPTP system exaggerates the extent to which the Tories are unpopular in Scotland to an extraordinary degree.
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Yup, we need proper representative PR, by having large constituencies of about 54 mp's we could maintain the local link between mp's and local areas and sensible party organisation, you'd have to be an incredibly unpopular candidate for the vip candidate mp not to gain a seat out of a field of 54.

That link we've all done that tells you what your vote is as a percentage of a whole vote has revealed just what a travesty of a democracy we have

My vote is worth more than 1 because we have a tory who benefited from a huge anti war swing away from labour to Greens, Respect, libdems and a myriad of non labour left parties they're all swinging back and a really decent tory mp I've met is out, probably for ever and his 20,000 tory voters go back to having no vote.

I personally wouldn't even mind a few fascists if they manage to get over an off the top of my head 4% threshold.

As I say though my vote's way more powerful than most of you so I'm chilled either way, you'd think those with a tenth or less of a vote or whatever would be up in arms about it.
 
ghutchison14078 said:
Ok, lets just assume for a second the every Scot who votes for the SNP is not stupid; to what would you attribute the gains the SNP have made (if the polls are correct), that are not related to the intelligence of said voters?

They haven't all decided to vote SNP instead of Labour due to a recent sharp drop in IQ.
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Firstly, I don't think they've made any gains. The 'Yes' vote got about 45% of the electorate, which is about what the SNP is polling now. In short, the people who backed the SNPs move for independence, continue to back them at the General Election.

The SNP had a massive campaign for independence which (although fundamentally wrong) woke a lot of people up to politics. People having just woken up are naturally going to be loyal to those behind that campaign. That loyalty was never going to fade away in six months.

But equally, I put a lot of it down to the weakness of the current Westminster parties. Miliband, Cameron and Clegg are all extremely weak leaders, made more so by the lack fo a clear majority. They should be ripping the SNP apart right now, but instead they're preoccupied with battling each other in a futile campaign over one or two seats. I dislike Blair, but Labour would have crucified the SNP if he was in charge; hell even Brown would have annihilated them.

IF whoever wins the election is smart enough to fend off the SNP's calls in 2016 for another referendum (which they should absolutely do) and we get some stronger leaders, I could easily see the SNP being put back into their box come 2015.

But yes, essentially the popularity of the SNP right now is twofold: A 'peace dividend' from the referendum and the lack of strong leadership for the main parties.

DP said:
Many people will vote SNP because they really are the only major party that isn't far right.
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You are totally deluded.
 
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Good to see the Green surge coming on strong still. They'll be lucky to get two MP's, but it's a start.
 
ghutchison14078 said:
Virtually impossible I'd have thought, as both parties hardcore voters wouldn't forgive them for generations for siding with "the enemy" just to get their grubby hands on POWER!!!!!
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If it happens it'll be because they are two dying parties and it would be their last ditch effort to cling on to power.
 
Doohickey said:
My god I want to hurt David Cameron. Never has there been a face so punchable.
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Especially when for the last five years all he's done is point the finger at labour, he produces that damn note everywhere, it's old and he's only got himself to blame for th state of the vulnerable and NHS today
 
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