Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)

[delta0]

That's not true the cabinet manual says that negotiations are "freestyle", the incumbent stays until another party commands confidence of the commons but there is no one going first

Explained here:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-onto-power-coalition-majority-lib-dem-tories

The incumbent goes first and must resign before the largest opposition party can try to form the government.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament/

 

[delta0]

The most likely outcome at 33% is a Labour minority government.

Would the SNP really undermine a labour minority government? I don't think they can. They have been adamant about getting the tories out.

Of course other coalitions could take it out of their hands. 66% chance something else happens. Con/LD or Lab/LD coalition for example.

Spoiler

Lab and con will come together to pass most policies then a few if any will go through SNP. Far more lab and con policies align than lab SNP.

 

[PermaBanned]

That whole thing was a set up from day one. Miliband convincing a non voter who is popular among youngsters to change his mind and vote for Labour. Bloody hell, who are they trying to fool?

That is what happened, yes. That doesn't in any way make it a "set up".

 

[muon]

Lab and con will come together to pass most policies then a few if any will go through SNP. Far more lab and con policies align than lab SNP.

So basically what we'll get is like in America after midterms where the President has lost a majority in one of the houses. A lame duck government that has to water everything down.

 

[D.P.]

The incumbent gets the first go. The default position is to support the largest party. Conservatives have both advantages.

Not really true at all though.

 

[delta0]

Not really true at all though.

It must certainly is. Lib dem have already said this is so. They said they will always turn to the largest party.

 

[MrMoonX]

The incumbent goes first and must resign before the largest opposition party can try to form the government.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament/

Your link doesn't say they go first it says they "might" remain and try to form government, any number of parties can attempt a coalition whilst the incumbent is in place and force a vote Which would result in the PM having to resign, there is no first chance to form, it's whoever can get the seats to gain confidence of the house

 

[delta0]

So basically what we'll get is like in America after midterms where the President has lost a majority in one of the houses. A lame duck government that has to water everything down.

Watering down is what any government will have to do next. The only way a government that will function is if Con, lib, DUP, UKIP and UUP have 322 seats between them otherwise lab plus the rest. Most sources have called it in favour of Conservatives but it really is too close to call on the day.

 

[D.P.]

The incumbent goes first and must resign before the largest opposition party can try to form the government.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament/

The Incumbent can go first but they wont go forwards if they no they will loos.e
The largest party going first is false and that website is in fact wrong.

the actual rules are quite clear on the matter, having the most seats is meaningless unless there are more than 323.
http://m.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32475098

Constitutionally, there is no rule that the party with the largest number of seats has a right to form a government

 

[delta0]

Your link doesn't say they go first it says they "might" remain and try to form government, any number of parties can attempt a coalition whilst the incumbent is in place and force a vote Which would result in the PM having to resign, there is no first chance to form, it's whoever can get the seats to gain confidence of the house

The only way conservatives will resign is if lab and SNP have majority together which is unlikely so there will be a long negotiation stage or majority of con, lib, DUP, UKIP, SNP.

 

[D.P.]

The only way conservatives will resign is if lab and SNP have majority together which is unlikely so there will be a long negotiation stage or majority of con, lib, DUP, UKIP, SNP.

No, constitutionally Labour can approach the Queen and ask for the vote, if they win they will be in power.

Cameron only has a legal right to stay prime minister for a limited time until the next government is selected.

 

[PermaBanned]

The only way conservatives will resign is if lab and SNP have majority together which is unlikely so there will be a long negotiation stage or majority of con, lib, DUP, UKIP, SNP.

They don't need to resign, they just need to be unable to pass a queen's speech. Which seems likely. And when you start considering coalitions made up of half a dozen minor parties... well, they're just not going to happen. You can, however, count on those MPs to vote a certain way based on their party policies.

 

[Sankari]

Constitutionally, there is no rule that the party with the largest number of seats has a right to form a government

Well obviously, but the fact remains that if the party with the largest number of seats still does not have enough seats to form government, it must negotiate a coalition to gain or retain power.

 

[D.P.]

Well obviously, but the fact remains that if the party with the largest number of seats still does not have enough seats to form government, it must negotiate a coalition to gain or retain power.

No, having the most seats is meaningless unless you have a majority.

The only single deciding factor on who will become PM is who will pass the Queen's speech.

 

[PermaBanned]

Well obviously, but the fact remains that if the party with the largest number of seats still does not have enough seats to form government, it must negotiate a coalition to gain or retain power.

No, not at all. Contrary to what the press seem to believe, minority governments are a thing.

 

[scorza]

Well obviously, but the fact remains that if the party with the largest number of seats still does not have enough seats to form government, it must negotiate a coalition to gain or retain power.

/sigh no it doesn't - it needs to get support from at least one other party but that support doesn't have to be a coalition.

 

[delta0]

They don't need to resign, they just need to be unable to pass a queen's speech. Which seems likely. And when you start considering coalitions made up of half a dozen minor parties... well, they're just not going to happen. You can, however, count on those MPs to vote a certain way based on their party policies.

They don't need a coalition of smaller parties. They need only continue with lib Dem and the other parties will support. It seems the most likely outcome and what most of the media have gone for.

 

[PermaBanned]

They don't need a coalition of smaller parties. They need only continue with lib Dem and the other parties will support. It seems the most likely outcome and what most of the media have gone for.

What other parties? Even with the DUP and UKIP supporting them the "anti-Tory bloc" of Labour, SNP, SDLP, PC and Greens would have more MPs. And that's even if the lib dems agree to another coalition, when there's considerable pressure within the party to go with Labour instead, and when there's potentially deal breaking issues around things like the EU referendum.

 

[muon]

Well that's why a Labour minority is most likely. Doesn't mean other things might not happen.

A Con/LD minority government could be feasible if they get enough seats, that may even be a majority. Even a Con majority isn't completely off the cards.

 

[delta0]

What other parties? Even with the DUP and UKIP supporting them the "anti-Tory bloc" of Labour, SNP, SDLP, PC and Greens would have more MPs. And that's even if the lib dems agree to another coalition, when there's considerable pressure within the party to go with Labour instead, and when there's potentially deal breaking issues around things like the EU referendum.

Not if those parties have reached the 322 threshold which is likely but not certain.