*** General TVs Talk Thread ***

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Hey, so I wanted to post a news article and didn't think it really deserved its own thread but figured we might want to have a dedicated thread for general TV talk for 2019, so here it is.

To start it off, LG 2019 OLED prices have been revealed:
https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/...ng-availability-for-2019-oled-tv-lineup/43763

Compared to last year:
55C8: $2,999.99
55C9: $2,499

65C8: $3,999.99
65C9: $3,499

77C8: $9,999.99
77C9: $6,999

55E8: $3,499.99
55E9: $3,299

65E8: $4,499.99
65E9: $4,299

65W8: $6,999.99
65W9: $6,999

77W8: $14,999.99
77W9: $12,999

US pricing, I know, but we can infer what it's going to be for Europe. I think we might actually be able to buy a 4K 120hz OLED with VRR for £2k by the end of the year. Really exciting stuff on the display side! Now we just have to hope we actually see HDMI 2.1 on GPUs as well this year (come on Navi!).

EDIT: 05-02-20 Changed title for general talk rather than yearly.
 
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it's better than an XF90 for HDR and gaming (due to half the input lag) but worse in other areas from what i can see making them on par with each other overall.

unless you really like HDR and competitive gaming then XF90 is a no brainer

It's not half though, it's 21.4ms XG95 vs 24.1ms XF90 (4K HDR). Strangely, RTINGS now says in their XF90 article that it accepts 1440p 120hz. Will have to test that out.
 
It's just the natural progression of any mass market consumer good tbh. In the end, so long as the higher-end segment is still somewhat affordable (in context) & that's what pushes innovations, I'm fine with that. Personally, I don't feel like the TV market is lacking in innovation or progress even though you won't see massive changes year on year - I think that's understandable. Heck, if you look at the monitor market things are WAY worse.
 
Not a great review for Sony's XG95, and I'm gutted about that since I've been set on getting the 85" model when it's out.

Yeah, that's too bad. Was gonna suggest the ZF9 since they're essentially similarly priced even though the ZF9 is superior, but forgot they don't do that in 85''. A shame.

Mind you, the XG95 is still gonna look phenomenal imo, it's just not going to be super top-end - but then neither is the price. At least for the size & price, it has no competition. Something better in 85'' (or 82'') is not gonna run you any less than double the price, and even then the "better" part isn't going to be all that significant without going WAY past double the cost.
 
Seemingly some good deals popping up on HUKD as there is a 10% off eBay deal on till tomorrow.

SAMSUNG UE55NU7020 55" Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR LED TV - £386.10 delivered

Seems to review pretty well and under £400 seems a bargain, has anyone else noticed any good deals out there?

Looking for a 55" minimum and less than £400, will just be used for general netflix, plex and youtube etc.

Cheers

I'd grab that then, don't think there's a better deal out there.
 
I want to buy once and buy right. Looking for a tv 55" that ticks all the boxes for movie watching bit lacking on the old research with all the new fangled information out there its a minefield to pick the right tv.

Was looking at the sony Oled line up but thats a decent chunk for a 55". I don't mind spending £2k any recommendations?

Would be playing consoles on it too now and then.

LG B8, it's around £1.1k. The upper models are a bit more refined in certain aspects but not even close to £1k-3k worth.
 
Instead of the 430,000-plus that IHS Markit forecast in October for 2019 worldwide 8K TV shipments, the London-based research firm now predicts that only 138,500 will ship this year. And, instead of nearly 2 million 8K sets in 2020, it now calls for 630,100.
Maria Rua Aguete, executive director for technology, media and telecommunication at IHS, shared this downgraded forecast April 26 at the IFA Global Press Conference in Punta Umbría, Spain. But, Rua Aguete’s presentation at this event, hosted by the organizers of the IFA electronics trade show in Berlin, glossed over much of the bad news.
For instance, an estimate of just 18,600 8K sets shipped in 2018 hid a count of only 200 shipped in North America. The balance went to Europe (9,000, with most in western Europe), Japan (6,600), China (1,500) and the rest of the Asia-Pacific market (1,300).
In an email to FierceVideo, Rua Aguete characterized the U.S. market as place where retailers remain unconvinced on 8K and only a single Samsung SKU (85-inch) was listed.
IHS—which in 2015 looked pessimistic for predicting shipments of only 911,000 8K TVs in 2019—doesn’t have much higher expectations for the U.S. in the following years. To wit: 43,900 8K sets will be shipped in 2019, 258,600 in 2020, 547,700 in 2021, and 843,400 in 2022.
IHS analyst Paul Gray emailed FierceVideo, indicating that the firm revised its earlier forecasts in March, saying “retailer interest in the U.S. was very weak, and in China brands were far less enthusiastic than we had expected.”
In contrast, the Consumer Technology Association forecast released at CES in January called for U.S. 8K shipments to hit 200,000 in 2019, 500,000 in 2020, 1.2 million in 2021 and 1.5 million in 2022.
CTA spokeswoman Danielle Cassagnol said that the trade group would revisit all these numbers in July’s update to this forecast, but meanwhile, those figures stand.
Analyst Mark Vena of Moor Insights & Strategy, who watched Rua Aguete’s IFA GPC presentation, said he agreed with her assessment.
“I’ve always been a bit skeptical of 8K’s appeal with mainstream consumers,” he emailed. “Major headwind factors include still not enough meaningful content that clearly demonstrates 8K’s improved video quality (especially vs. 4K); continued sluggishness with the cable providers to upgrade their set top boxes (and the infrastructure) to provide 8K content; and the ongoing availability of very good 4K TVs at terrific (especially sub-$1,500) pricing.”
The biggest TV firm exhibiting at IFA GPC underscored that last point: TCL, which said it’s now the No. 2 vendor worldwide by shipment volume, said it will sell a 55-inch 4K set in Europe for just €699. TCL will also bring 8K sets to the EU market, but they will occupy the highest slot among 11 product lines—three still only HD.
TV[R]EV lead analyst Alan Wolk was as pessimistic as Vena.
“I think the industry is still struggling to make 4K a thing, so I don’t see 8K happening any time soon,” he said in an email. “There may be some special effects movies that benefit from it, but otherwise I don’t see a lot of demand, either for the content or for the TVs.”
Japan—the one market with 8K broadcasts already available, thanks to NHK’s move to push that as part of its coverage of the 2020 Summer Olympics there—doesn’t figure too large in IHS’s latest forecasts either.
“Shipments will still be low at just over 80,000 in 2020,” Gray said. He blamed a “generalized preference for much smaller screen sizes – sizes below where even 4K starts,” and a strong start for OLED screens, which already hold a 45% share of 65-inch screens there.
It’s China that looks to become 8K’s brightest market: IHS now forecasts that shipments will surge to 46,000 in 2019 and then 369,000 in 2020. But that, Gray explained, mainly reflects cultural and supply-chain factors.
“TVs are a status symbol in China in the way they are not in the U.S. or Europe,” he said, citing lower car ownership and smaller homes. “Furthermore, the Chinese market has brutal pricing – 65 inches is a break-even product, all smaller sizes loss-making!”
Asked what might change 8K’s fortunes back in the U.S., Vena suggested that 8K vendors push compelling native content instead of counting on up-scaled 4K fare—although without support from cable TV, that will require exceptionally fast broadband connections untrammeled by data caps.
“The industry may need to hang its hat on promoting upcoming, highly prominent events (like the Olympics) that will best enjoyed on 75-inch class screens and have the best chance of showing the superior image quality,” he said. Then he added a caveat: “To put this in perspective, even last year’s World Series wasn’t broadcast in 4K.”

Damn, I guess it really is too early still.
 
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q80-q80r-qled

Damn, lots of little things wrong with this TV. Samsung really likes gimping next year's products after a good year.

Seems like this wide va layer is another thing to worry about and which causes issues. Figures. Also, poor input lag results for 120hz, esp @ 1080p. I wonder why that went back up.

A lot of disappointment for this year's TVs I have to say. Kudos to LG for HDMI 2.1 but everything's (for all TVs) looking the same as last year qualitatively (at best) but with a bigger price tag. Yikes!
 
Tbh I have never, nor will I ever, pay attention to these sort of "badges". That's just marketing to make a quick buck from unaware customers (i.e. 99% of them).

As for the FALD vs Edge Lit bit, it strikes me as a "in theory, theory & practice are the same..". I simply haven't seen an edge lit rival a decent FALD TV for HDR, let alone put up a fight versus the best FALD. Fair enough though, no one really makes the attempt anymore.

I do wish I had a Q7FN to test for HDR gaming vs the XF90. I'd love to see how it handles Odyssey comparatively.
 
Had a good while to test some of these TVs casually in a closed off showroom a few days ago. Tbh with you the only OLEDs that stood out were the Sony ones. In particular the upscaling is simply a step above anything else, LG was just too soft. Phillips were bleah in terms of colour and brightness. LG wasn't too hot on brightness either, but not too far off from the AG9. Neither were bright enough for my liking but I did think at least they have the sort of depth from per-pixel illumination where you could get away with it if you're particular about it. In terms of overall image quality and punch, a definite win to Sony for me, but I'd hesitate to buy it due to missing HDMI 2.1 & lacking brightness & way overpriced. Panasonic was closer to Sony but felt like a worse version of it, so kinda pointless.

As for LCDs, the Samsung disappointed me with anything but brightness, and Sony's XG95 (65'') was quite good, nearing that sense of depth you'd get from an OLED, and was overall a small but clear step up from my 55'' XF90. Wouldn't pay what they're asking for it today, but anyone picking one up on black friday will be very pleased with what they're getting.

I'm still somewhat tempted to get an OLED as a second display for particular situations where you just need that great contrast and don't mind the brightness but I remain mostly unconvinced by it. Thankfully, ones like B8 are cheap enough that it's not gonna break the bank.

Sadly, they didn't have any of the 8K TVs available so I haven't had the chance to see the ones from this year.

Guess I'll just have to wait another year. Might as well have a bit of time to save up some more.
 
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