*** General TVs Talk Thread ***
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True for UK but not widely available. Have only seen the bottom of the barrel models in EE.
Not yet afaik. We're still waiting for HDMI 2.1 sources. But I'd wager it's not gonna be much better than 40ish as bottom end of the VRR range.
Guys, these shoot-outs are always just marketing events. Put no stock in them.
At the end of the day, the only facts are those that can be objectively measured. Rest is up for interpretation and personal preference, which these sort of shoot-outs are... just pure subjectivity, especially since results change so much depending on source & environment.
At the end of the day, the only facts are those that can be objectively measured. Rest is up for interpretation and personal preference, which these sort of shoot-outs are... just pure subjectivity, especially since results change so much depending on source & environment.
Controlled conditions means nothing, because controlled conditions for them are just one environment setup. Where it will actually be in your home is something else, and that will dramatically affect the result. Your window setup, your curtains, time of day, lights/positioning etc & etc. To say nothing of chosen footage, which can also dramatically affect what looks good on what TV. If there was so much objectivity to these people then they would all get the same results, and crown the same TVs. Curious that it doesn't go that way, and different groups of even such "professionals" end up picking different TVs as winners, depending on who hosts the shootout.
As for "professional calibrator" part, gimme a break. These are the same people who would for years pick TVs which crushed shadow detail like no tomorrow over TVs with slight blooming that didn't - and think nothing of it, as if black & near-black detail was suddenly irrelevant! To say nothing of all the near-defect level of flaws (banding, streaking, uniformity issues of a dirt diaper and on and on it goes) for which they barely wrote a footnote but saw no reason not to shower said TVs with awards & praise. It's clear they want to have a job & that means compromising their credibility because they're not gonna call out their benefactors.
The only piece of credible info they ever gave was whatever calman reported, but otherwise? Nah.
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If that's what you understood from what I wrote I'm not even gonna waste my time.
Found a very interesting post vis-a-vis WOLED calibration for anyone interested in these sort of details. Well worth a read.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-...r-settings-no-price-talk-24.html#post56201380
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-...r-settings-no-price-talk-24.html#post56201380
8 Series review up
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/8-series-2019-q825-qled
Just as we've seen from other earlier reviews/impressions, perhaps the most abysmal failure of any TV yet seen. That it still scores so highly is a big blow against RTINGS' system. When you have elements simply disappearing, not a few and for edge cases, but wholly, how can contrast still be great? Do words still have meaning anymore or are they just thoughtlessly used? And how can a TV which is so badly set-up out of the box in terms of colour accuracy that it looks like the colour engine is painting with puke be considered even usable let alone receive praise? Absolutely baffling review, but at least for people who still think & read rather than just look at the score the picture is clear. It's gonna take them many years to get a handle on the LD algorithm, but mini-LED does show some promise (if Sony were to jump in...). It's just that it's not a TV you'd ever want to pay money for, let alone what they're asking for.
And since awards are in season, I hereby grant RTINGS with the 'Yikes' award, and TCL with the 'Big oof' award respectively. Better luck next time.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/8-series-2019-q825-qled
Just as we've seen from other earlier reviews/impressions, perhaps the most abysmal failure of any TV yet seen. That it still scores so highly is a big blow against RTINGS' system. When you have elements simply disappearing, not a few and for edge cases, but wholly, how can contrast still be great? Do words still have meaning anymore or are they just thoughtlessly used? And how can a TV which is so badly set-up out of the box in terms of colour accuracy that it looks like the colour engine is painting with puke be considered even usable let alone receive praise? Absolutely baffling review, but at least for people who still think & read rather than just look at the score the picture is clear. It's gonna take them many years to get a handle on the LD algorithm, but mini-LED does show some promise (if Sony were to jump in...). It's just that it's not a TV you'd ever want to pay money for, let alone what they're asking for.
And since awards are in season, I hereby grant RTINGS with the 'Yikes' award, and TCL with the 'Big oof' award respectively. Better luck next time.
If you want OLED then there's no reason to wait, they're just doing a refresh.
Why can't we get these deals?
H8G Series will be available March 2020 for $399.99 (50”), $499.99 (55”), $699.99 (65”) and $1,399.99 (75”) MSRP.
- 90 LD zones, 700-nits peak brightness
H9G Series will be available April 2020 for $699.99 (55”) and $999.99 (65”) MSRP.
- 180 LD zones, 1000-nits peak brightness
H65G Series will be available Q2 2020 for $269.99 (43”), $299.99 (50”), $329.99 (55”), $479.99 (65”), $899.99 (75”) and $1,499.99 (85”) MSRP.
Tell you what, for a big arse gaming/lounge (for sports) setup that doesn't take itself too seriously, I can live even with the LD-less 85" for $1500. Heck, the current 85" option is a Sony XG8596 and that would be closer to $2800. That's a BIG difference and I doubt there's much difference between the two. Siiiiigh.
H8G Series will be available March 2020 for $399.99 (50”), $499.99 (55”), $699.99 (65”) and $1,399.99 (75”) MSRP.
- 90 LD zones, 700-nits peak brightness
H9G Series will be available April 2020 for $699.99 (55”) and $999.99 (65”) MSRP.
- 180 LD zones, 1000-nits peak brightness
H65G Series will be available Q2 2020 for $269.99 (43”), $299.99 (50”), $329.99 (55”), $479.99 (65”), $899.99 (75”) and $1,499.99 (85”) MSRP.
Tell you what, for a big arse gaming/lounge (for sports) setup that doesn't take itself too seriously, I can live even with the LD-less 85" for $1500. Heck, the current 85" option is a Sony XG8596 and that would be closer to $2800. That's a BIG difference and I doubt there's much difference between the two. Siiiiigh.
Everything TV in Europe Hisense/TCL is different from what they sell in the USA (and almost always worse).
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-...-sony-tv-news-ces-2020-a-11.html#post59193840
Hmm 75" XG950 launched at $3299. Saw some get snagged for ~$2300 later on. Wonder if we can expect 75X900H to sell for closer to $1500 later in the year? That would be something! Ofc just change $ to gbp/euro for us.
Pretty strong start for budget sets:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q60t-qled
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800h
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q60t-qled
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800h
Keep price in mind when comparing. Yes, for gaming Q60R has an advantage with 120hz & VRR BUT Q60T has better contrast, better brightness, better grey uniformity, much better black uniformity & PWM frequency 600 vs 240 (though still gimped for PC @ 120). Even for gaming if you just stick to 4K then 120hz panel won't really make a difference and freesync range is 48-60hz, so rarely useful even on PC and even then only if you have AMD GPU.
Meanwhile, price is 55" $699 vs $1199 (MSRP). So I'd say it's a very strong proposition! And believe me, I hate on Samsung more than most, but this is a good showing.
Meanwhile, price is 55" $699 vs $1199 (MSRP). So I'd say it's a very strong proposition! And believe me, I hate on Samsung more than most, but this is a good showing.