Geohot and Fail0verflow are getting sued

Sinny said:
So if I buy a PSP I can't use it as a coaster?

absolute crap, if you buy something you can do anything you want to it.
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1: Its against the terms and conditions you agreed to.(You consumer, not you personally)

2: the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act comes into play with regards to modifications to hardware and software. Its the very same act used to fine people who open up their virgin\sky boxes and crack them for all channels.

Using a PSP as a coaster is a bad analogy, as you're not altering the PSP in any way. You just have your cup on it.
 
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finga said:
im on about your sour grapes, what are you on about? its going to do absolutely nothing to the industry, or it would have folded back in the 80's and never got this far, its always been happening, its only lately they are trying harder to eradicate it
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Sure but its is what happens to those who dont want to use Home brew/pirate game that will probably end up being hurt the worst. Project $10 will probably be more prominent and other ways to control the games online functions. As for the game industry itself, do you not think they have the right to protect there own IP? Thats why i feel Sony has the right to stop this, even though i do not agree with how they are going about it TBH. I also dont agree with people thinking its their right to do what they want with something they own even though they have agreed not to alter part of it. I said earlier i see this as going nowhere and is just a delaying tactic until they can find away to either block the hole (very hard), make it a bit harder for the GP to do (easier), or to make sure everyone knows that they will be banned/blocked from PSN and any online functions at all (easiest). The reason why Jailbreaking isnt illegal (in the US) is that there is no proof it will lead to copyright infringement, where as this hack one of the big things it does is allow copyright infringement (game piracy) to happen so i cant see it being the same thing.
 
finga said:
im on about your sour grapes, what are you on about? its going to do absolutely nothing to the industry, or it would have folded back in the 80's and never got this far, its always been happening, its only lately they are trying harder to eradicate it
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How is it sour grapes to not want to see the online aspects of playstation being ruined?

Yeah its been around since time began, But now what's happening on a single users console in their living room effects everyone else connected to the community

Untraceable software will ruin PSN, aim bots, hacks and cheats
 
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It is annoying that this will inevitably lead to piracy, as long as it doesn't affect online gameplay too much with regards to mods etc.

On a positive note, roll-on XBMC for PS3 :D.
 
skippi90 said:
Software. :rolleyes:
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yet they didn't seem to have bypassed any security "features". I don't see where the problem is if they didn't actually bypass sony's security.

if their was security I'd be inclined to agree, but they didn't, apparently anyway.
 
wannabedamned said:
1: Its against the terms and conditions you agreed to.(You consumer, not you personally)

2: the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act comes into play with regards to modifications to hardware and software. Its the very same act used to fine people who open up their virgin\sky boxes and crack them for all channels.

Using a PSP as a coaster is a bad analogy, as you're not altering the PSP in any way. You just have your cup on it.
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Lol Sky encryption has never been cracked and there is no such thing as a cracked sky box. Virgin on the other hand is apparently rolling out new hardware so cracked cards will soon be a thing of the past.

Anyway the point you made is invalid as the ONLY reason if you obtained the above would be to defraud Virgin/Sky whereas the PS3 has other uses once opened up not just out and out piracy :rolleyes:
 
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Meatball said:
It is annoying that this will inevitably lead to piracy, as long as it doesn't affect online gameplay too much with regards to mods etc.

On a positive note, roll-on XBMC for PS3 :D.
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Bad thing is the fact that piracy has been enabled, those who want to use homebrew for things such as XBMC will be tarred with the same brush. So even if you wont use it for piracy/online hacks etc the only way for sony to stop those is to ban all with CFW/hacked software.
 
5punk3monk3y said:
Lol Sky encryption has never been cracked and there is no such thing as a cracked sky box. Virgin on the other hand is apparently rolling out new hardware so cracked cards will soon be a thing of the past.

Anyway the point you made is invalid as the ONLY reason if you obtained the above would be to defraud Virgin/Sky whereas the PS3 has other uses once opened up not just out and out piracy :rolleyes:
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So what will 90% of the people with CFW use it for? I doubt playing MKV vids will be the highest on most of those people list of things to do with it. Only if the hackers/sony can find a way to make sure that no pirate software/PSN hacks can be played on CFW will Sony stop chasing after the people using CFW. I'd be all for a CFW that only allows homebrew and none of the other "side effects", but this is never going to happen.
 
I'm afraid I hope Sony win.

I know these people don't condone piracy but what do they honestly think will happen if/when they release this information into the wild? There's not enough honest people around for it to be "only" about MKV support or custom OSes.
 
5punk3monk3y said:
Lol Sky encryption has never been cracked and there is no such thing as a cracked sky box. Virgin on the other hand is apparently rolling out new hardware so cracked cards will soon be a thing of the past.

Anyway the point you made is invalid as the ONLY reason if you obtained the above would be to defraud Virgin/Sky whereas the PS3 has other uses once opened up not just out and out piracy :rolleyes:
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I wouldnt know about sky, only said sky as I assumed it was the same. but regardless, that was far from my point and you know it.

And you seriously think it matters what the use is at the end of the day?? Modification is just that. And the Act applies in the same way it would for the virgin box. It's like saying, "Yeah i modded my virgin box, but i only watch bbc and ITV anyways, so i should be fine."
 
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msmalls74 said:
So what will 90% of the people with CFW use it for? I doubt playing MKV vids will be the highest on most of those people list of things to do with it. Only if the hackers/sony can find a way to make sure that no pirate software/PSN hacks can be played on CFW will Sony stop chasing after the people using CFW. I'd be all for a CFW that only allows homebrew and none of the other "side effects", but this is never going to happen.
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The current CFW out only allows Homebrew and does not contain the information to allow Backup loading.

wannabedamned said:
I wouldnt know about sky, only said sky as I assumed it was the same. but regardless, that was far from my point and you know it.

And you seriously think it matters what the use is at the end of the day?? Modification is just that. And the Act applies in the same way it would for the virgin box. It's like saying, "Yeah i modded my virgin box, but i only watch bbc and ITV anyways, so i should be fine."
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Nope the only reason to bypass the securtiy on a Virgin box is to defraud Virgin and nothing else. As I said the CFW available for the PS3 atm will not allow backup games to be loaded. Which part of that defrauds Sony in any way?

The point everyone seems to be missing is that as of last September you could play backups on the PS3 yet everyone is saying that the PS3 is doomed from now on?? I don't get it surely if I could (not saying that I do) play "backups" last September then the PS3 would be feeling it by now as it has been 4 months since then and basically that mod WAS ONLY to play games from other sources than the retail channels.
 
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tbh i see nothing wrong with what they did, its like the iphone jailbreak, xbmc for the orginal xbox or people who customise their windows (i.e. mini windows xp).
 
Tute said:
I'm afraid I hope Sony win.

I know these people don't condone piracy but what do they honestly think will happen if/when they release this information into the wild? There's not enough honest people around for it to be "only" about MKV support or custom OSes.
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They've released the master key so no matter who gets sued, Sony have to do some thinking.
 
Mirror of GeoHot's PS3 Jailbreak -- January 11, 2011

Our friends at Sony are having another bad day: i.e., doing something breathtakingly stupid, presumably because they don't know any better. This time they're suing George Hotz for publishing PS3 jailbreak information, as reported by EnGadget and Attack of the Fan Boy. Hotz's jailbreak allows PS3 owners to run the software of their choice on a machine they have legally purchased. His site is geohot.com.

Free speech (and free computing) rights exist only for those determined to exercise them. Trying to suppress those rights in the Internet age is like spitting in the wind.

We will help our friends at Sony understand this by mirroring the geohot jailbreak files at Carnegie Mellon.

GeoHot Mirror

Click here for usage instructions.

Note to Sony lawyers: No doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Have you learned anything in ten years?

David S. Touretzky
Research Professor of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
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Lol @ Sony.
 
DreXeL said:
Lol @ Sony.
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That, is quality.

Personally I think it's a damn shame Sony didn't do the security properly, what a half arsed attempt.

I don't play online but I know others do, and unfortunately some ****s are going to ruin it for everybody by cheating.

Sony should have given Geohot a job, that would have sorted the whole problem out as he could have (well any competent cryptographer) could have sorted it all out for them before the keys were leaked.

Oh well, the PS4 will be done properly, one hopes, with linux ability included... again.
 
5punk3monk3y said:
Nope the only reason to bypass the securtiy on a Virgin box is to defraud Virgin and nothing else. As I said the CFW available for the PS3 atm will not allow backup games to be loaded. Which part of that defrauds Sony in any way?
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I get that you believe that its just pretty much for homebrew stuff, but I dont get where your "Nope" comes from? regardless of what its used for the software\OS has been altered.. That's a no no, in any book!


There's a copy of Photoshop floating around the web with an alternative name. Its photoshop, but all the security has been stripped out. Everything else has been left intact. Do you think that's legal??
 
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wannabedamned said:
There's a copy of Photoshop floating around the web with an alternative name. Its photoshop, but all the security has been stripped out. Everything else has been left intact. Do you think that's legal??
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That's a pretty rubbish analogy, we want homebrew on our legally purchased hardware, we're not looking to get a ps3 for free
 
wannabedamned said:
regardless of what its used for the software\OS has been altered.. That's a no no, in any book!
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It's not as black and white as that. Jailbroken iPhones are commonly used for 3rd party apps, have had their software/OS modified to circumvent security and are now entirely legal, in the states at least. On the other hand R4 cards for Nintendo DS are ostensibly for homebrew but primarily used to infringe copyright so are a no-no.

You could field arguments for either side in the PS3's case. Didn't the failoverflow team demonstrate Linux booting natively on the console without the intervention of any Sony code bar the mandatory bootloader? That sounds legit
 
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