German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'

Pate · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:44

Craterloads said:
What about **** cheese? its gross ive been told.

I wouldn't know. I wash my body regularly.

Using an argument valid for only dirty people isn't a good way to defend a blanket approval of circumcision for all....

Craterloads · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:45

Moses said:
I can't say I've ever had that problem, considering I wash .

Some peope may not put in as much effort as you. Seems a chore having to lift your foreskin and was underneath on a regular basis?

Pate · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:45

T345 said:
THAT STUDY IS BASED ON ONE PERSON!
EDIT: 5 pages in a hour? A new world record!

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Did you read the paper?

Kenai · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:45

Craterloads said:
What about **** cheese? its gross ive been told.

So are most of the other effects of not washing yourself for a week at a time, that's hardly a brilliant argument in favour of ritualistic mutilation of infants is it?

Pate · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:46

Craterloads said:
Some peope may not put in as much effort as you. Seems a chore having to lift your foreskin and was underneath on a regular basis?

Bwahaha this is getting even more ridiculous now. Too much effort to lift your foreskin? hahaha.

P.s you can retract it, no need to lift. You see, that's what it's meant to do.

Kenai · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:46

Craterloads said:
Some peope may not put in as much effort as you. Seems a chore having to lift your foreskin and was underneath on a regular basis?

A chore?

AHAHAHAHAHA

You are surely trolling? Surely? Please tell me you are...

Craterloads · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:47

Moses said:
Have you ever experienced washing a penis with a foreskin? I say a, in case you have unusual pursuits.

Thank fully no, just seems gross.

Craterloads · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:49

Pate said:
Bwahaha this is getting even more ridiculous now. Too much effort to lift your foreskin? hahaha.

P.s you can retract it, no need to lift. You see, that's what it's meant to do.

It is a chore, there are many people who have **** cheese issues. They must not be putting in the nessessary effort to clean themselves.

UncleRuckus · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:49

Craterloads said:
What about **** cheese? its gross ive been told.

You know it has anti-bacterial enzymes acts as a lube and also comes from the Greek meaning soap.

It's only gross if you don't wash your junk.

Robbo · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:49

Craterloads said:
Some peope may not put in as much effort as you. Seems a chore having to lift your foreskin and was underneath on a regular basis?

:|

SlyReaper · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:49

Craterloads said:
Health reasons, cleanliness and physical appearance.

Name one health reason. The only one I can think of would be phimosis, but that can be dealt with via steroid creams or tablets - circumcision is the last resort. Cleanliness is not an argument. I have no problems keeping my glans clear of gunk. Physical appearance? That's highly subjective.

Not sure if serious, a large part you say?

Larger than the hole made from an ear piercing, yes.

I would disagree with that, the pleasure i recieve is awesome! And how are you comparing the pleasure a man gets? Do you have a study or something?

This has already been answered.

Kenai · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:49

Craterloads said:
Thank fully no, just seems gross.

Touching your foreskin seems gross?

Can we add 'warped perception of reality' to the list of potential circumcision side effects - it seems to be affecting Mr Craterloads here rather badly.

Richdog · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:51

Craterloads said:
The removed skin heals over rather quickly too. Point is they are both "mutilations" and should both be banned going off this ruling.

A piercing is not in the same class as circumcision, only someone silly would think that. A piercing is an incredibly minor thing, a flash of pain and then a tiny hole is made which heals over if no longer used. It has no bearing on the permanent functioning of your ear.

Circumcision is a major body change and is completely unnatural. We have a foreskin for a very good reason... it protects the head of our penis, increases sexual function and sensitivity even as we age, protects against disease and infection, as well as other benefits. It is explained in-depth here http://www.drmomma.org/2009/09/functions-of-foreskin-purposes-of.html

It also causes permanent desensitisation of the penis, and in the worst cases can permanently affect your ability to get an erection. It affects your immune system also, among other things. The risks are explained here http://www.bellybelly.com.au/baby/circumcision-to-circumcise-or-not-circumcise

Is circumcision less painful for a baby than for an adult?

Infants experience excruciating pain during circumcision and for weeks afterwards, and they can show behavioural changes such as frequent crying, avoidance of physical contact, reduced feeding, and sleep disturbance. Local anaesthetic creams such as EMLA are not adequate, and a general anaesthetic poses a significant risk for infants under the age of six months. Adult circumcision is less painful as men can undergo general anaesthesia and receive pain relief during the post-operative period.

Isn’t circumcision just a ‘tiny snip’ with no risks?

The risks of circumcision include bleeding, infection, damage to the glans and frenulum (a very sensitive band of tissue connecting the inner foreskin to the glans on the underside of the penis, often referred to as the male G-spot), excessive skin removal, scarring, loss of penis, and even death. Infant circumcision carries more risks than adult circumcision, as a baby’s penis is very small and difficult to operate on, and more penile skin is removed than in adults. Excessive tissue removal is a common problem, and this can cause painful erections and even restrict the growth of the penis at puberty.

There is no reason whatsoever that circumcision is a good idea unless it would somehow resolve a medical problem (for example foreskin that was through some genetic defect too tight to pull over the head of the penis).

Kenai said:
A chore?

AHAHAHAHAHA

You are surely trolling? Surely? Please tell me you are...

Either trolling, or just unfortunately not very bright.

Macky · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:52

Why can't everyone just agree that until you are of consenting age (16+ I'd say) then you should absolutely not be forced into changing your body in ANY way. Why on earth is that so irrational? You shouldn't be having sex before 16 anyway (I'm not saying it doesn't happen) so why anyone would even see ANY benefit of having it done before then, I do not know.

I'm fine with circumcision, IF a consenting adult wishes to have it done. If you are forced into it then I see that as draconian and barbaric.

Robbo · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:55

Richdog said:
snip

Excellent post which highlights exactly why it's a frankly evil practice.

What is the actual justification given by the various religions for circumcision? I haven't seen it in here yet, and it doesn't seem like they could ever have a good reason.

shootersam · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:57

Robbo said:
Excellent post which highlights exactly why it's a frankly evil practice.

What is the actual justification given by the various religions for circumcision? I haven't seen it in here yet, and it doesn't seem like they could ever have a good reason.

All the religious people for it don't seem to have a reason. It's a disgusting practice and Germany have done well banning it.

Craterloads · 1 Jul 2012 at 16:58

SlyReaper said:
Name one health reason. The only one I can think of would be phimosis, but that can be dealt with via steroid creams or tablets - circumcision is the last resort. Cleanliness is not an argument. I have no problems keeping my glans clear of gunk. Physical appearance? That's highly subjective.

Phimosis

Yeast infection, Smegma smell and the added effort in cleaning yourself. Just the meer fact you have gunk in you penis makes me want to vomit! And yes it does look so much better!

Larger than the hole made from an ear piercing, yes.

And i tiny tiny piece of skin is like "getting you knob chopped off"

This has already been answered.

Now there is evidence that circumcised men have the same degree of penis sensitivity as those who are uncircumcised. In a report from the Montefiore Medical Center to the American Urological Association this year no statistical difference was found between 43 uncircumcised and 36 circumcised men subjected to a variety of measures of sensitivity . These included response to vibration , pressure , spatial perception and warm and cold thermal thresholds .

Montefiore Medical Center to the American Urological Association

http://www.medicirc.org/newsletter/sex_and_sensitivity_in_uncircumcised_man.htm

shootersam · 1 Jul 2012 at 17:00

Craterloads said:
And yes it does look so much better!

Opinion, not fact.

SlyReaper · 1 Jul 2012 at 17:00

Craterloads said:
Just the meer fact you have gunk in you penis makes me want to vomit!

I just said I don't. Are you an idiot?

Craterloads · 1 Jul 2012 at 17:00

Richdog said:
A piercing is not in the same class as castration, only someone silly would think that. A piercing is an incredibly minor thing, a flash of pain and then a tiny hole is made which heals over if no longer used. It has no bearing on the permanent functioning of your ear.

Circumcision is a major body change and is completely unnatural. We have a foreskin for a very good reason... it protects the head of our penis, increases sexual function and sensitivity even as we age, protects against disease and infection, as well as other benefits. It is explained in-depth here http://www.drmomma.org/2009/09/functions-of-foreskin-purposes-of.html

It also causes permanent desensitisation of the penis, and in the worst cases can permanently affect your ability to get an erection. It affects your immune system also, among other things. The risks are explained here http://www.bellybelly.com.au/baby/circumcision-to-circumcise-or-not-circumcise

There is no reason whatsoever that circumcision is a good idea unless it would somehow resolve a medical problem (for example foreskin that was through some genetic defect too tight to pull over the head of the penis).

Either trolling, or just unfortunately not very bright.

And its just as silly comparing castration to circumsition.