German Grand Prix 2010, Hockenheimring Circuit - Race 11/19

DBT85 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:25

dannyjo22 said:
lol holding him up due to issues or poor luck. Even with a dead gearbox Alonso was on his tail. Anyone who even remotely suggests Massa has been near the pace of alonso this year even when he's been infront isn't looking deep enough into the lap times and whats happening.

Even when Alonso has started at the back he's caught up with his team mate time and time again.

I'm not saying Massa is faster. Alsono is undoubtedly the faster driver. BUT, Massa has still ended up in front of him over and over again. How can that be luck every time?

Danthus · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:25

ghost101 said:
Well if your engineer tells you to turn your revs down in order to finish the race, you're not going to say no, are you?

No my point was that I think the rules say that teams can not send instructions to the cars, i.e remotely control the cars.

Wicksta · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:25

dannyjo22 said:
Its happened for Hamilton already this season and no one on here cried about it. Button was given a clear message not to have another run at Hamilton. EJ even alluded to this enough times.

I'm sure even you can see the difference in the situations, if not then I can't be bothered to waste time speaking to you.

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:25

OldCoals said:
All of which is irrelevant if your team orders to slow down.

But he hasn't been ordered to slow down those over times, 99% of the time they are pleading for him to actually go faster. They gave him a window to prove he was faster today and he responded for a couple of laps and then alonso came back at him.

He was given a chance and he couldn't respond.

Duke · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:25

Legard is such a ****.

Cybermyk · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:26

LOL Go Massa, I do hope he does get the fastest lap of the race.

DBT85 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:26

Duke said:
Legard is such a ****.

5 live baby.

I do hope ferrari get lots of akward questions after the race.

Dimi · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:27

Haha, it's funny how the people up in arms about this are either Button fans or Hamilton fans.

What do you expect Ferrari to do when Massa is 30+ points behind Alonso in the championship? Aswell as being 0.5 second slower throughout the weekend.

Redbull or any other team other than Mclaren would have did the same, Ever wondered why Mclaren did not win in 2007?

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:27

Wicksta said:
I'm sure even you can see the difference in the situations, if not then I can't be bothered to waste time speaking to you.

Yes the difference is hamilton is a fan favourite, both were team orders. One was just more blatant. I though don't suffer from double standards, I'd like all forms of teasm orders removed while it was still possible for the other driver to win the title.

Danthus · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:27

dannyjo22 said:
But he hasn't been ordered to slow down those over times, 99% of the time they are pleading for him to actually go faster. They gave him a window to prove he was faster today and he responded for a couple of laps and then alonso came back at him.

He was given a chance and he couldn't respond.

And that means it is OK to manipulate the result of a race, the operative word being race?

Wicksta · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:28

dannyjo22 said:
Yes the difference is hamilton is a fan favourite, both were team orders. One was just more blatant. I though don't suffer from double standards, I'd like all forms of teasm orders removed while it was still possible for the other driver to win the title.

Duke · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:28

Todge said:
5 live baby.

I do hope ferrari get lots of akward questions after the race.

Get delay on the sound though on 5 Live which is annoying.

Over Clocker · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:29

dannyjo22 said:
Its happened for Hamilton already this season and no one on here cried about it. Button was given a clear message not to have another run at Hamilton. EJ even alluded to this enough times.

EJ is a hypocrite anyway or has he forgotten spa?

If you think they are one and the same then you are a tool.

Wicksta · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:29

Duke said:
Get delay on the sound though on 5 Live which is annoying.

Not on the red button there isn't a delay? In fact it seems to be a second or two ahead.

JUMPURS · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:29

OldCoals said:
And that means it is OK to manipulate the result of a race, the operative word being race?

Didn't red bull also tell Webber to let Vettel through but he didn't?

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:29

OldCoals said:
And that means it is OK to manipulate the result of a race, the operative word being race?

No and if you actually read what I've said I never said it was ok, I'm just not up in arms about this one when everyone else seems happy to accept it's ok when Hamilton and Button have pulled the same stuff this season and coded fuel messages are used all the time.

Ferrari should just have been less blatant, that though is the fault of smedley.

DBT85 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:29

Duke said:
Get delay on the sound though on 5 Live which is annoying.

I'm watching the bbc TV and 5 live option on the bbc site, its been ok?

DBT85 · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:30

dannyjo22 said:
Ferrari should just have been less blatant, that though is the fault of smedley.

I wonder how deliberate that was too.

logix42p · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:30

alonso fastest lap now

come on massa

JoeMango · 25 Jul 2010 at 14:30

dannyjo22 said:
No and if you actually read what I've said I never said it was ok, I'm just not up in arms about this one when everyone else seems happy to accept it's ok when Hamilton and Button have pulled the same stuff this season and coded fuel messages are used all the time.

Ferrari should just have been less blatant, that though is the fault of smedley.

So when has button slowed down to let hamilton past?