German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

The start tomorrow could be very interesting if Alonso gets a good one. Would kinda like rain as Button needs it, but would be good to have a dry race to see what sort of speed each of the teams are now to each other.
 
sunama said:
Before Silverstone, I believe it was you (as well as Brundle), who were saying that Vettel/RBR have plenty in reserve. .
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Yes and I still believe they had. He had the gap pegged to Alonso beofre the pit incident. After the botched stop the gap opened up and he either couldn't respond or didn't want to risk the car on that set of tyres.

Why do you look at it so black and white, the pace of the cars obviously changed for the last stint otherwise Alonso would have chased him down in the first place.

Either he didn't have the life in that last set of tyres or on low fuel the car wasn't set up to work as well as heavy. Perhaps on lower fuel levels they struggle with traction or tyre heat.

Who knows, I don't think it's a simple as Alonso was so much faster because he wasn't for over 2/3rds of the race.

Are you back to saying RB is the 3rd fastest car? That's usually good enough for a RB win! I'm sure you said the Mclaren was now the fastest only for them to fall apart.
 
To be honest, i think that Alonso and Hamilton flatter the Mclaren and the Ferrari sometimes.

One thing we should all be glad of is that Hamilton or Alonso arent in that Red Bull!
 
dannyjo22 said:
Are you back to saying RB is the 3rd fastest car? That's usually good enough for a RB win! I'm sure you said the Mclaren was now the fastest only for them to fall apart.
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Since around the time of China, I stated that RBR/Ferrari/McLaren were all within a whisker of eachother, with RBR having the best qualifying pace, while McLaren had the best race pace. Some tracks will suit some cars better, which means that there will always be a little change from track to track, as to who has the fastest race car.

There was a shake up for 2 races (Valencia/Silverstone), where regulations were changed/strictly adhered to.

We also saw Ferrari take a step forward (probably due to upgrades, but also because of the new regs), at Silverstone.

In any case, I stick by what I said: I believe RBR do have the fastest qualifying car. In race trim, Ferrari is now fastest, with RBR/McLaren battling for 2nd best (depending on the track). At Hungary, expect RBR to take a step forward.

McLaren were hit hard by the regs change in Silverstone, but today, we are back to Valencia specs and low and behold, McLaren as if by magic, are back in the game.

With the 2nd/3rd best race car, Vettel was doing a fantastic job. We know this because he was doing a much better job than his team-mate. This would suggest that he was just in fantastic form and perhaps was flattering the RBR car.

I also stated that at some point in the season, Vettel's form would dip. This happens to all drivers. Low and behold, he got beaten at Silverstone (where normally you would expect him to win and certainly not to lose by 20s, but more importantly, he was almost beaten by his team-mate and had to be assisted by his team-boss, to prevent the overtake being attempted by his team-mate).

We also saw today, for the first time in 15 races, that he could not qualify on the front row.

The above would suggest that (maybe) Vettel's form is beginning to dip.

Re: McLaren falling apart:
Check out today's qualifying position. Hamilton qualified in 2nd place, which I believe is his best qualifying position this season. I don't think I need to say anything else.
 
What do people think about DRS in this race? No driver has yet nailed turns 8 and 9 - even the Red Bull's were lifting slightly through 8. Is anyone going to get close enough with the turbulent air in those corners to get close enough ?
 
Where has all this "Button is a wet weather god" stuff come from all of a sudden? All he has shown is one decent wet drive?
 
ZG002 said:
Where has all this "Button is a wet weather god" stuff come from all of a sudden? All he has shown is one decent wet drive?
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He's steady and makes few mistakes but I don't find his wet pace to be stunning it's just his team mate has mucked up even when showing more speed than him.

He seems to excel at not making a mistake in changeable conditions without showing stunning pace, Hamilton is faster but pushed the edge so much more.

So far Buttons way seems to be the best in comparison to his team mate, except at silverstone.
 
ZG002 said:
Where has all this "Button is a wet weather god" stuff come from all of a sudden? All he has shown is one decent wet drive?
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generally when it rains he ends up in a situation where hes got nothing to lose by taking a gamble anyway , a few times its paid of and suddenly hes suposed to be wet weather master...
 
Lol @ the armchair F1 Team principles in here.

Seems they think they know more than the teams themselves. Talking "technical" about Aero and the costs, as if they have detailed access to the teams accounts!

Absolutely stonking lap from Hamilton, without question the best and most exciting driver to watch at the moment. The rest of them are just totally sterile, especially Mark Webber.

Kobyashi and Schumacher at least provide some entertainment also. The rest of them however.... borefest, no risk taking and a load of bleating like little kids should anyone touch them or dare to make a move.

Should be an interesting start tomorrow, lets just hope the race provides as much as Silverstone did. If its like Valencia, I shall go outside and watch some grass grow.
 
Jenson has almost always been the one with the Balls to stick Slick tyres on during varying conditions, that qualifys him as the rain master!

People do tend to harp on about it too much though :o
 
How many times has he stuck slicks on earlier than anyone else and gone on to win the race, genuine question.

I know he did that one race in a mclaren but that was purely down to having no cards left to play. I didn't see that as balls tbh, more a last throw of the dice that paid off nicely.

Drivers at the front never do take those kind of gambles, they don't have to. They wait a lap or so and see what the lap times come in as. :)
 
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