German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

Its difficult to see past Vettel getting pole. He is the the Polemeister after-all.

We need to see what happens in qualifying first, but for the race: the Ferrari is looking genuinely fast. If Ferrari can give Alonso the fastest race car, I can't see anybody being able to beat him during that race. In Monaco, Vettel was saved by the red flag. In Silverstone, there was no red flag to save Vettel and he capitulated to Alonso, who won the race by a fair margin (which puts paid to some people who believe the RBR can go A LOT faster if they wish).

I want to see Alonso put Vettel under pressure, while Vettel is leading (as he most certainly will do at some stage on Sunday) and seeing how Vettel copes.
 
I dont know about you but i want to see what vettle is like charging up the field and having to make overtakes.

Put Vettle in buttons position in canada i wonder if vettle would have managed that? He is absolutely awesome at getting the best time out of the car but i dont think we have seen him in a battle yet.
 
stoke1863 said:
Put Vettle in buttons position in canada i wonder if vettle would have managed that?
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I don't think any driver in F1 would've managed to do what Button did in Canada. For me, in the wet, Button is the best.

I've talked about Vettel's form dipping at some point in the season and I'm hoping that that time is now. In the last race, Vettel was hammered by Alonso and was caught by Webber...earlier in the season, I just don't think that would've happened (even if Ferrari had a better car). Webber is finally threatening Vettel.

The amount of pressure that Ferrari are under from the Italian press is immense. They now have the best driver in F1 who is performing as expected and there simply isn't any excuse for them not to win the title. Their supporters in Italy are demanding success.
 
In the last race Vettel was held up by Hamilton and pitted too early, twice IIRC, once in an attempt to pass Hamilton that was completely the wrong move. Had it not been for that would have been interesting to see what happened. Just because Vettel's car didn't have the pace to catch 13-15 seconds he lost behind Hamilton doesn't mean he didn't have the pace to catch 2-3 seconds, didn't Vettel also have a couple awful pitstops(or was that Webber, or both), add all those up and "hammered" is too hard.

Alonso got all the luck that day and did well with it, Vettel got unlucky, partially crap pit stops, partially poor strategy in pit stop timing.


Button best in the wet, because of basically one race, for which he clearly had infinately better tyres? Don't forget he knocked Hamilton out who was, without question, destroying him on pace(and everyone), in the wettest worst conditions, yeah, he made a mistake and ended up behind button, and caught him so so so easily it was a joke, if Button hadn't pulled over, even if Hamilton hadn't passed him then I'd say there was a 99% chance he would have won that race, quite easily, without getting lucky with guys sliding off infront of him.

Schumy with a FAR FAR worse car did pretty much the best race of anyone and has always been good in the wet, its completely slipped my mind who it is but someone way down the grid is usually awesome in the rain, Hamilton is epic in the rain(if his car was remotely competitive he wouldn't be pushing so much harder than everyone else and making the mistakes pushing that hard comes with), I don't think Button is even close to being one of the top 5 best wet racers, not least because, he was behind Webber, Schumy, Vettel until the track was almost ruddy dry anyway, in the rain he was behind Schumy, as the track dried and their tyres were worse, he did better......... not sure how that makes him best in the wet in any way at all.

WIthout the safety cars(did he cause two of them) and lucky pit stop timing, yeah, when you're dead last and the choice is stay last or take a chance and pit first its NOT a difficult or brave decision, its the ONLY decision. He got VERY lucky, made a bunch of mistakes, good tyres and starting behind a safety car, otherwise he'd have been LAPS down at the end, flukey as hell, nothing more or less. some good laps, sure, but he didn't put in more great laps, he was just always on better tyres, got insanely lucky and rarely, if even at all had to make a difficult pass. AS per usual in pure driving he couldn't take Schumy or Webber to save his life, with DRS, it was embarassingly easy.
 
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