German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

That was harsh by EJ, McLaren have done a Williams yet. They are still competitive. Just in the last 2 and a half years you've had one team clearly a head.
That's not to say they aren't making mistakes. Their strategies are legendary for the wrong reasons. And their car designs haven't be shocking, but correctly quickly for best of the rest position.
 
Flibster said:
I think that one of the biggest things McLaren needs is Ron Dennis back in control of the race team.
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Does it, the last time they built back to back title winners was in 98 and 99 and I'd argue they only won 99 because Schumacher broke a leg.

Other than that with or without Dennis they don't build consistent title winners.
 
Quelle surprise, Pirelli moving back to long lasting tyres because of problems with 'lol Pirelli tyres don't last very long'.

I said months ago they'd have problems with that and everyone ridiculed me, well there you go, Pirelli obviously feel it's enough of a problem to actually change the tyres...
 
Flibster said:
I think that one of the biggest things McLaren needs is Ron Dennis back in control of the race team.
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Denis stated in 2007 that he is in F1 to win...not to play happy families. Yet, despite this, he got rid of the best driver in F1. In footballing terms, this would be the equivalent of Guardiola getting rid of Lionel Messi, because he doesn't get on with him.

If you sack/mis-manage the best driver in F1, as a manager, you are no longer capable of doing your job.

Remember, the best drivers have huge egos and can at times, behave like children. As a manager, you have to understand this and must have the ability to get the best out of your drivers. Ron Denis no longer possessed this ability and within months of getting rid of Alonso, he resigned as head honcho.

Compare this with Whitmarsh, who arrived and within months, he had signed up the reigning World Champion, to partner Hamilton (something that Denis would probably never had done, as he wouldnt want Hamilton to ever come under pressure from his team-mate (which is why Denis had Heikki in the No.2 car, even though we all knew he was terrible).

My suspicion is that if Denis had quit sooner, Alonso would've stayed at McLaren for at least another season or 2.

If Denis came back, I think Button would probably be gone and the No2 driver would be some chump who Hamilton could beat without problem - basically Heikki, mk2.
 
Kenai said:
Quelle surprise, Pirelli moving back to long lasting tyres because of problems with 'lol Pirelli tyres don't last very long'.

I said months ago they'd have problems with that and everyone ridiculed me, well there you go, Pirelli obviously feel it's enough of a problem to actually change the tyres...
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Yep, it was always going to happen. Shame though :(
 
sunama said:
Denis stated in 2007 that he is in F1 to win...not to play happy families. Yet, despite this, he got rid of the best driver in F1. In footballing terms, this would be the equivalent of Guardiola getting rid of Lionel Messi, because he doesn't get on with him.

If you sack/mis-manage the best driver in F1, as a manager, you are no longer capable of doing your job.

Remember, the best drivers have huge egos and can at times, behave like children. As a manager, you have to understand this and must have the ability to get the best out of your drivers. Ron Denis no longer possessed this ability and within months of getting rid of Alonso, he resigned as head honcho.

Compare this with Whitmarsh, who arrived and within months, he had signed up the reigning World Champion, to partner Hamilton (something that Denis would probably never had done, as he wouldnt want Hamilton to ever come under pressure from his team-mate (which is why Denis had Heikki in the No.2 car, even though we all knew he was terrible).

My suspicion is that if Denis had quit sooner, Alonso would've stayed at McLaren for at least another season or 2.

If Denis came back, I think Button would probably be gone and the No2 driver would be some chump who Hamilton could beat without problem - basically Heikki, mk2.
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Hamilton can beat Button without a problem most of the time :p
 
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