German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

lol ..

A race to the finish line isn't about destroying your tyres from the first lap, like Lewis does.

The reason Lewis was "destroying" Jenson in Canada is because he was burning himself out as he always does from the beginning. Jenson, being the smarter driver paces himself from the start, knowing that later on in the race is the time to push when the track, car and tyres have evolved to their optimal setting.

I was stood at Silverstone's Wellington Straight and saw this for myself. Immediately from the start there's Lewis pushing too hard, going off at the end of Wellington when trying to overtake Alonso or Massa (I'm sure it was a Ferrari if memory serves).

Jenson was a good 3-4 seconds behind. And, lo and behold, who was the guy at the end of the race being told to stop pushing to conserve fuel - exactly... Lewis Hamilton.

There have been numerous occassions this season when he's been told he's either burnt his tyres out or he's wasted a shed load of fuel. So stop seeing the whole race as the first 10 laps when Lewis is, quite rightly as you put it, "destroying" everyone else :rolleyes:

Oh, and that drive by Jenson in Canada, without being biased was the best drive I've ever seen in Formula 1. I wouldn't say that's saying something, since I've only watched every race since Lewis at Silverstone 08 (in the wet- and the race that got me into F1) but I can't imagine a drive like that being conquered anytime soon.

Jenson was a demon around that track, to watch him hunt down Vettel was something I also don't think any driver on the grid could do like that. It was unadulterated poetry in motion.
 
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You do know, right, that Lewis was well ahead of Button, who was well behind where the rest of them where when he had his little tyre mishap, "button would have won if it wasn't for that", no, he was slower than everyone else. Lewis's team misfueled his car, pushing to hard, laughable. Pushes his car to hard always, yeah, the mysterious "button is sooo good on his tyres" thing, which has been proven false so many times.


It really is truly laughable, Button was STUCK BEHIND A STUPIDLY SLOW SCHUMY, and Webber, untill DRS kicked in, he was completely unable to do anything, DRS kicked in, Webber who couldn't overtake Schumy suddenly went past him liks he had an extra few hundred HP under him, and Button did the same, everyone else were on crooked tyres, Button wasn't, there was no magic. As I said, he didn't pull a single great overtake, he didn't struggle, he wasn't pushing the car to the limit, Vettel, Webber, Schumy were all pushing to the limit to keep the car on the road, Button was doing bog standard "I've got immensely better tyres" laps.

I haven't seen Lewis ONCE before run out of fuel nor have to go ultra slow, it was a team mistake, and if you noticed Button slowed down just as much, even after Hamilton slowed down Button didn't start gaining..... because he had to slow down aswell.

IIRC Alonso pretty much spun infront of Hamilton and he had to go around him and off the track, hardly a mistake, and other than catching Button hand over fist straight away it was a Button mistake that got Hamilton in such an easy passing move.

Poetry in motion, epically ridiculous, how much time did he gain under the various red flags and safety cars, as in how many MINUTES behind got wiped off to let him get so close to Vettel.

Hunt down Vettel/Webber/Schumy, for 15-20 laps all three of those cars were sliding around corners like they were rally cars, and Button still couldn't overtake them despite showing zero sign of tyre problems. His car was in seriously better condition, his tyres was immensely better, and he couldn't pull a clean move on any of them......... thats great driving, he knocked Alonso off the track, and Hamilton, both causing safety cars, both gaining him a crapload of time on the leaders.

SMR, the simple idea that Lewis always burns himself out in the first few laps would mean that button ALWAYS beat him in the end, he doesn't, Hamilton easily, and obviously beats Button the majority of the time, of the times he doesn't its incredibly rare its fuel or tyre related, its normally from Hamilton crashing out or being knocked out, which happens more when you don't just follow behind and hope everyone else fails which is Button's standard tactic, I can't count the amount of times I've heard his guys on the radio say "Don't worry, they're all burning their tyres out, you'll be great soon", and then....... nothing. Hasn't he used more tyres than basically anyone else recently, 6 sets in one race, loads in Canada, Monaco, and one other, constantly stuck behind people on old tyres and waiting for them to make a mistake to get ahead.
 
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You do know, right, that Lewis was well ahead of Button, who was well behind where the rest of them where when he had his little tyre mishap
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10 seconds, down from 16 seconds - he was gaining on the hamilton/vettel/webber train and leaving massa behind. There was no doubt he was going well on that set of tyres and a podium was possible.

Button was STUCK BEHIND A STUPIDLY SLOW SCHUMY, and Webber, untill DRS kicked in
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Thats what DRS was brought in for, look at the let down in abu dhabi last year when the fight the the championship got stuck behind slower cars.

Button was doing bog standard "I've got immensely better tyres" laps
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His tyres were the same age or older then the people in front of him - your comment makes no sense. Button just goes very well on a drying track, how many times does he need to demonstrate that?

I haven't seen Lewis ONCE before run out of fuel nor have to go ultra slow, it was a team mistake, and if you noticed Button slowed down just as much, even after Hamilton slowed down Button didn't start gaining..... because he had to slow down aswell
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Button was out long before the instruction to save fuel was broadcast.

I can't count the amount of times I've heard his guys on the radio say "Don't worry, they're all burning their tyres out, you'll be great soon"
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Monaco? That's one.


Seriously, Button is slower than hamilton, slower than alonso, and can't qualify to save his life, but to deny his talents and say he has never gone faster than his team mate is ridiculous.
 
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Jenson was a demon around that track, to watch him hunt down Vettel was something I also don't think any driver on the grid could do like that. It was unadulterated poetry in motion.
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I wouldn't say it was the best drive I've ever seen, but that day, it was almost like he was possessed. He took out his team-mate. He took out Alonso and I have no doubt that had Vettel stayed on the track, Button would've bull-dozed his way passed.

It's a shame that we don't see more of that from him. His usual style is to be super conservative and not take any risks, which is why I say he is the best No.2 driver in the business. In Canada though, he drove like a No.1 driver, through and through - even removing his team-mate when he dared to attempt a pass.

For me, the race came alive, the moment DRS was activated, as this meant that Button wasn't going to be held up by the slower cars in front of him.
 
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Practice One - Alonso leads the Red Bulls in Germany

After his victory at Silverstone, Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso went to Germany keen to continue his run of success, and ended up fastest in the Friday morning practice at the Nurburgring. The 90-minute session began in unseasonal conditions, with overcast skies and a temperature of a miserable 13 degrees Celsius. It remained cold throughout the session.

Highlights - German GP first practice
Watch short highlights from first free practice for the German Grand Prix as Ferrari's Fernando Alonso sets the morning pace ahead of Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel at the Nurburgring.
While Sebastien Buemi survives a late incident unscathed after his Toro Rosso lifted into the air and landed in the gravel.
 
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Practice Two - Webber fights back for Red Bull
Red Bull’s Mark Webber set the fastest time of the Friday afternoon session at the Nurburgring, beating Fernando Alonso’s Ferrari by 0.168s. The Australian clocked a best lap of 1m 31.711s.

Highlights - German GP second practice
Watch short highlights from second free practice for the German Grand Prix as Red Bull's Mark Webber sets the pace at the Nurburgring ahead of Ferrari's Fernando Alonso.
 
They so need to sort in season testing out, just for the benefit for test/new drivers.

If not a full day, one extra FP session where you can run main drivers, or something.
 
Hello everyone, here we are again. Gonna be watching qualy shortly, but am out tomorrow helping out with something which doesn't finish until 1 at the earliest so won't be in here for the race, and will watch it delayed.

I take it im doing my raindance? :D
 
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