German Grand Prix 2012, Hockenheim - Race 10/20

XeNoN89 · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:37

Mr Men said:
Hamilton really had no option

Yep, Rosberg essentially pushed him off of the track, and it was on a straight not mid corner as well

TaKeN · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:38

LOL Red Bull Racing.

Sebastian is an idiot if he thinks that Lewis should 'Drop back and find a gap if he wants to go fast'

He had places to make up :confused:

neverender · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:38

Cavallino said:
Could someone give me an analysis of how Sebs move is different to say that of Hamiltons on Rosberg in Bahrain? (Pictars would be nice )

As has been said, Rosberg pushed Lewis directly off the track. However, since then the rules were clarified to explicitly say that passi g off the track is not allowed, meaning the FIA (correctly) had to be seen to act in this case.

Cavallino · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:39

Was there a cars width between Buttons left side and the edge of the track? (I cant remember the move now!).

Sliver · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:39

Excellent decision by the stewards.

knip · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:41

Pahahahahahahaha!

Good is all I can say.

Flibster · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:42

neverender said:
As has been said, Rosberg pushed Lewis directly off the track. However, since then the rules were clarified to explicitly say that passi g off the track is not allowed, meaning the FIA (correctly) had to be seen to act in this case.

Passing off the track has always been frowned upon. It's pushing cars off the track that was clarified after the Rosberg incident.

Cavallino · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:42

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101426

There we go folks

New standings:

Pos Driver Points
1 Fernando Alonso 154
2 Mark Webber 120
3 Sebastian Vettel 110
4 Kimi Räikkönen 98
5 Lewis Hamilton 92
6 Nico Rosberg 76
7 Jenson Button 68
8 Romain Grosjean 61

1 Red Bull/Renault 230
2 Ferrari 177
3 McLaren/Mercedes 160
4 Lotus/Renault 159
5 Mercedes 105
6 Sauber/Ferrari 80
7 Williams/Renault 47
8 Force India/Mercedes 46

It really is something of a miracle that Ferrari are still second in constructors....

Cavallino · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:48

Flib I think you can lose this just for today

utajoker · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:57

fia make the correct call!

ive just read on twitter than mclarens stop for button is a new world record at 2.31 seconds stationary.

also vettel calling hamilton stupid, pretty stupid on vettels part actually.

driver faster if you dont want to be unlapped.

tummelv · 22 Jul 2012 at 16:58

Good result from Koboyashi for 4th then!

Also gz for Raikonnen's podium finish.

Mr Men · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:00

Kimi moves ahead of Lewis in standings, he is going along pretty nicely.

Freakbro · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:00

Mr Men said:
Hamilton really had no option

He had the option to back off and not go for it...the same as what you are saying Vettel should have done

mranderson · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:02

Intentional move to gain an advantage (which he clearly did) so the penalty is fair.

mranderson · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:04

Freakbro said:
He had the option to back off and not go for it...the same as what you are saying Vettel should have done

Very different. Roseberg should have backed off. Hamilton was not gaining an advantage running outside the track and he didn't intend to do that in the first place.

Mr Men · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:05

Freakbro said:
He had the option to back off and not go for it...the same as what you are saying Vettel should have done

Yep, Lewis should have got a penalty too, but he never

Freakbro · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:07

mranderson said:
Very different. Roseberg should have backed off. Hamilton was not gaining an advantage running outside the track and he didn't intend to do that in the first place.

Err, Rosberg was in front...why should he have backed off?

I'm not saying the situations are identical, just that Hammy overtook fully off the track, which by the rules is illegal, and didn't have to give the place back.

zpos · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:10

Glad Vettel was penalised for his maneuver. Had he got away with it, well it would have given license to them all to carry out such moves.

Freakbro · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:11

Mr Men said:
Yep, Lewis should have got a penalty too, but he never

As long as you acknowledge that, then that's fine

I don't care who gets the lucky breaks on rule adjudications, just I hate hypocrisy

Flibster · 22 Jul 2012 at 17:12

Cavallino said:
Flib I think you can lose this just for today

Oh no I can't. Red Bull's engine maps?

Although that wasn't directly the FIA, it was the FIA appointed Stupids. Errr, Stewards.