German Grand Prix 2013, Nürburgring - Race 9/19

Not sure why they've chosen that. The first principle of control is "eliminate".

They could easily have 6x controllable PTZ dome cameras strategically placed throughout the pitlane to cover all angles. Apart from giving 6 guys a job, there's no real need for them to be there versus a fixed system.

Eccelstone even admits a wheel could bounce up to the pit wall. The fact you could foresee that (and if the worst happened) it would cost them a fair whack in a meaty litigation claim.

I'm glad he's not dead, but this hasn't been thought out properly at all.
 
What's to say they won't do that later? Some pit lanes do have the camera above on a rail but you can't magic it all into place overnight.
 
Should make all the lolly pop men wear go-pro cameras on their helmets :p

Great view, and ideal for checking whether there was an unsafe release!
 
Duke said:
What's to say they won't do that later? Some pit lanes do have the camera above on a rail but you can't magic it all into place overnight.
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This is my point. They've rushed an idea through to justify a swift response.

Why act so hastily and run the risk of having to correct a failing later? "Do it once, do it right".

A simple structure to take a camera feed up and above the pit boxes on some cable trays would be as extreme as they could go (1 camera per garage), and wouldn't take much to implement.
 
smr said:
I don't understand why people aren't tuning in just because of the tyres.
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For a lot of long term F1 fans it's more about what F1 has become, it used to be the pinnacle of motorsport & pushing the boundaries of technology (including tyres), nowadays whenever the FIA are confronted with a choice between racing and entertainment they choose the latter.

It's too contrived at the moment, the drivers race but do so within a set of conditions/rules which prevent natural racing.
 
So can anyone explain why the Mercedes was great in the race in Silverstone and didn't seem to have tyre wear issues (in comparison to the other teams)? I thought Silverstone was a track that would hurt tyres ( lots of fast corners) and it was also pretty hot at Silverstone that Sunday?

Why was the Lotus suddenly back on form in Germany after being terrible and no better on tyres than anyone else in the last few races?

As Lewis said on the radio in Germany "it is like everyone is on different tyres to me"

I just hate the inconsistency, and whilst i hate conspiracy, it does seem like teams get cherry picked tyres at some races. Either that, or the consistency in the manufacturing process of the tyre is rubbish.

The biggest iffy thing in F1 recently in my opinion was a Williams winning on the weekend of Frank Williams birthday....
 
EVH said:
I'm glad he's not dead, but this hasn't been thought out properly at all.
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I fully agree. In this case a cameraman was hit. What is to say in the next race, a mechanic isn't hit, or the tyres rolls at speed into the garage? Them saying everyone should be wearing helmets and suits, but would either of those have actually stopped the injuries which occurred? No.

So why continue to resolve to outcome, rather than dealing with the cause? If the teams were limited in the way or speed that pit stops are done, these issues would be much less likely to occur.
Just look at Le Mans, they had several pit fires, so they limited pit crews to two people at a time. Vast reduction in fires, and even higher reduction in injuries due to the fires.
My idea is either less mechanics on the car, making it much easier to tell when everyone is finished, or have a system with a sensor on each wheel/axle that means if the tyres are not on fully, the car will not engage first gear.
 
El_Watcher said:
I fully agree. In this case a cameraman was hit. What is to say in the next race, a mechanic isn't hit, or the tyres rolls at speed into the garage? Them saying everyone should be wearing helmets and suits, but would either of those have actually stopped the injuries which occurred? No.

So why continue to resolve to outcome, rather than dealing with the cause? If the teams were limited in the way or speed that pit stops are done, these issues would be much less likely to occur.
Just look at Le Mans, they had several pit fires, so they limited pit crews to two people at a time. Vast reduction in fires, and even higher reduction in injuries due to the fires.
My idea is either less mechanics on the car, making it much easier to tell when everyone is finished, or have a system with a sensor on each wheel/axle that means if the tyres are not on fully, the car will not engage first gear.
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Or for each mechanic to have a button on their belt to transmit a "ready" signal when they are happy with their tyre that then allows the light to go green for release.

Either way, it needs looking at because it's not the first unsafe release this year.
 
robz21 said:
Or for each mechanic to have a button on their belt to transmit a "ready" signal when they are happy with their tyre that then allows the light to go green for release.

Either way, it needs looking at because it's not the first unsafe release this year.
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That's over complicating it. The current "hand in the air" system is good in principle, but there's 3 people per wheel which crowds out the scene, as it were.

There should be 6 people. Lollipop, wheels and rear jack.
 
andicole0 said:
Yes Webber was at the back but also a lap down, which he recovered under the safety car and went to to get points, something I don't think he would have done from a lap down.

Andi.
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This is what I don't understand, he was at the back a lap down. Why the hell do they let him then drive past everyone to unlap himself and then get back to the back of the field.

That just makes no sense. How is that fair to everyone else who are still on the lead lap?
 
The reason for allowing lapped cars to unlap themselves is to get rid of cars in the middle of the pack, spoiling restarts, which was infuriating in the Ferrari-dominated years (when you just wanted something to go against them for once and have a battle with another car!).

You can't have a rule that allows some cars to unlap themselves (those in the middle of the pack) and other not (those at the back), so you've got to allow all the cars to do so (edit: well, you can... NASCAR's "Lucky Dog" springs to mind, but I don't think it would suit F1).

And you can't just remove a lap from their times and ask them to fall to the back, as that would cause all sorts of issues, such as give that car potentially more fuel, tyres and a lack of mechanical wear to play with.

What I don't get was them allowing Webber to catch up to the train, as previously they haven't bothered when it was just a 'minor team'. They could happily have brought the safety car in on the lap Webber unlapped himself, as that happened at the start of the lap... it's almost as if there's one rule fo....... ;)
 
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EVH said:
That's over complicating it. The current "hand in the air" system is good in principle, but there's 3 people per wheel which crowds out the scene, as it were.

There should be 6 people. Lollipop, wheels and rear jack.
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I'd like to see less people involved too. There seems to be anything up to 20 people around the cars at the minute. 3 per wheel, front and rear jack men plus backups, a guy either side steadying the car, guys cleaning / adjusting the front wings. Very crowded.

Yes it makes for very speedy stops but surely less people involved = less chance of human error, and maybe the teams would think about strategy differently if they were going to lose significant time in the pit lane. Like in the old days...:o
 
Also with no refuelling, the pit stops are soo rushed. Maybe bring back refuelling, or minimum pit stop time.

What do other series do? Le Mans, Indy, Nascar, etc.
 
mostly, they limit the amount of people working on the car at any one time. but at the moment the lightning quick pitstops are about the only good thing to come from the current regulations.
 
paintguy said:
I'd like to see less people involved too. There seems to be anything up to 20 people around the cars at the minute. 3 per wheel, front and rear jack men plus backups, a guy either side steadying the car, guys cleaning / adjusting the front wings. Very crowded.

Yes it makes for very speedy stops but surely less people involved = less chance of human error, and maybe the teams would think about strategy differently if they were going to lose significant time in the pit lane. Like in the old days...:o
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Completely agree with reducing the amount of people working on the cars.
 
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