German Grand Prix 2013, Nürburgring - Race 9/19

Pirelli do say, they have left and right printed on the tyres, they advise tyre pressure, they advise camber.

We know they advise these as tyre pressure and camber have come up before. Where certain teams were running it outside the advised camber.

Pirelli can only suggest, they have no right to tell teams what to do, there is no rule forcing teams to adhere to these guidlines.
Again teams need saving from themself.

fIa reduce engine power and aero on safety terms, but won't make them run tyres within the advised guidlines.

Just becuase the teams didnt now the risk, doesn't mean you can blame Pirelli. It's upto the team to take that risk and accept the consequences. It's not like we have thousands of miles of testing these days for teams/Pirelli to find all the limits.

This is the most sensible assessment of the tyre situation, absolute joke that the teams are calling it unsafe when its only a few cars that are getting blow outs.

During the last race I was trying to explain to mate that it had to be set up issues if it is isolated to a few cars on certain corners, if it happened to everyone over the weekend then the DC "we're all going to die" bandwagon can set sail.
 
Glad that Friday Practice was rain free all day. Mclaren desperately need Fridays to gather lots of data from which we were able to do today. Been very unlucky this season with the amount of washed out Fridays we've had so it's been a refreshing change.

Also glad that the tyres were fine, I'm getting a bit bored of hearing so much about them it was good to see that there weren't any incidents. The less incidents the better as far as tyres are concerned!

Mclaren seem to be improving race by race. It's still possible that there could be race wins this year, weather conditions and luck may need to intervene but if we keep on improving it could be possible, anythings possible in F1 anyway!

In the first 6 races Button was in the points 5 times with the other one being a failure, he's failed to be top 10 in the last two races. Perez got points finishes in 3 of the first 5 races and has failed to finish twice and finished outside the points in the last three races. Mclaren are getting WORSE and nothing else indicates otherwise. Button and Perez's highest finishes were in the 3rd/4th races respectively.... in what way are they improving race by race, given that they have gone backwards, scored less and publically announced they have given up on the 2013 car because it was going nowhere?

Considering they are giving up actively trying to make the 2013 car better, and only hope to improve 2014 parts which may or may not improve the 2013 car... I don't know where you think this massive improvement might come from.

Might they get a win or podium, sure, why not, so might any of the other teams that regularly finished 8th-18th, that is the nature of F1, it has no indication on the car improving or being better. The car doesn't need to improve to get a podium or win, they just need a lot of luck.

AS for trolling Hamilton or Mercedes, he's already finished above Hamilton once, thereby taking points off him(well if Perez and Button had dropped out)... its not trolling when your team gets utterly demolished by every metric by a "inferior" team everyone laughed at Hamilton for joining(bar a select intelligent few :p ).#

I'd also love Button at RBR.... might give Merc a shot at the constructors ;)

I would think Button might be more likely for a move to Lotus should Kimi, or even Grosjean move on next year. Button would be a waste for Red Bull as they'll most likely want the second seat to go to a potential vettel replacement for the future. I can see Mclaren deciding to pick up a driver who can help more with development, Perez to continue being a potential future champion and bring in money while they free up the main seat for someone who can set up a car.... Kimi would be a good choice but can't see him being the poster by for such a strict media driven team.
 
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I think that there are two F1 drivers at present who think they are in the wrong team and are being let down. JB's only failure is that of the team that is meant to be supporting him, the ones that are making huge tactical errors...
 
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Just catching up on FP1 & 2 on Sky atm, times are below.

Practice 1
Code:
[b]Pos Driver                Team                    Time      Gap      Laps[/b]
 1. Lewis Hamilton        Mercedes                1m31.754s            25
 2. Nico Rosberg          Mercedes                1m31.973s  + 0.219s  25
 3. Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault        1m32.789s  + 1.035s  22
 4. Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes    1m32.822s  + 1.068s  16
 5. Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault           1m32.956s  + 1.202s  22
 6. Felipe Massa          Ferrari                 1m33.065s  + 1.311s  18
 7. Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes        1m33.139s  + 1.385s  24
 8. Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault        1m33.213s  + 1.459s  20
 9. Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault           1m33.260s  + 1.506s  27
10. Sergio Perez          McLaren-Mercedes        1m33.456s  + 1.702s  18
11. Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes    1m33.493s  + 1.739s  18
12. Nico Hulkenberg       Sauber-Ferrari          1m33.810s  + 2.056s  20
13. Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m33.901s  + 2.147s  23
14. Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m33.976s  + 2.222s  26
15. Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault        1m34.025s  + 2.271s  20
16. Valtteri Bottas       Williams-Renault        1m34.200s  + 2.446s  22
17. Esteban Gutierrez     Sauber-Ferrari          1m34.437s  + 2.683s  24
18. Charles Pic           Caterham-Renault        1m35.674s  + 3.920s  23
19. Max Chilton           Marussia-Cosworth       1m35.987s  + 4.233s  19
20. Giedo van der Garde   Caterham-Renault        1m36.078s  + 4.324s  23
21. Rodolfo Gonzalez      Marussia-Cosworth       1m37.459s  + 5.705s  21
22. Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                 no time               2
Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108547



Practice 2
Code:
[b]Pos Driver                Team                   Time      Gap       Laps[/b]
 1. Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault       1m30.416s            39
 2. Nico Rosberg          Mercedes               1m30.651s  + 0.235s  38
 3. Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault       1m30.683s  + 0.267s  41
 4. Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault          1m30.843s  + 0.427s  32
 5. Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault          1m30.848s  + 0.432s  27
 6. Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                1m31.056s  + 0.640s  39
 7. Felipe Massa          Ferrari                1m31.059s  + 0.643s  41
 8. Lewis Hamilton        Mercedes               1m31.304s  + 0.888s  35
 9. Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes       1m31.568s  + 1.152s  37
10. Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes   1m31.797s  + 1.381s  40
11. Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes   1m31.824s  + 1.408s  34
12. Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m31.855s  + 1.439s  42
13. Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m32.055s  + 1.639s  39
14. Sergio Perez          McLaren-Mercedes       1m32.086s  + 1.670s  36
15. Nico Hulkenberg       Sauber-Ferrari         1m32.495s  + 2.079s  39
16. Esteban Gutierrez     Sauber-Ferrari         1m32.762s  + 2.346s  44
17. Valtteri Bottas       Williams-Renault       1m32.879s  + 2.463s  35
18. Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault       1m32.880s  + 2.464s  36
19. Charles Pic           Caterham-Renault       1m33.695s  + 3.279s  38
20. Giedo van der Garde   Caterham-Renault       1m33.804s  + 3.388s  40
21. Jules Bianchi         Marussia-Cosworth      1m34.017s  + 3.601s  10
22. Max Chilton           Marussia-Cosworth      1m34.667s  + 4.251s  39
Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108557
 
New tyre limits, which were only a recommendation before.

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Tyre limits seem a little draconian. Just fix the darn tyres.

Vettel looking quick again.

What else are they meant to do, when teams and media blame Pirelli. If they had accepted they took a risk and its there fault vp fair enough. But they didnt. They ran them outside the deisgn parameter then had the audacity to blame Pirelli.

And yes I do feel sorry for Pirelli, they have a real market image, unlike most of the teams.
 
I'm really surprised pirelli haven't said **** it, you can race on rims next year

Would be really interested to see how this is affecting their sales figures

Looks like this will indeed be the first quali /race I will miss in years, the weather is just too nice, shame it isn't a far flung race!

The fp2 times seem very car dependant!
 
What else are they meant to do, when teams and media blame Pirelli. If they had accepted they took a risk and its there fault vp fair enough. But they didnt. They ran them outside the deisgn parameter then had the audacity to blame Pirelli.

And yes I do feel sorry for Pirelli, they have a real market image, unlike most of the teams.

How about making some decent tyres (and I don't mean tyre wear, but structural strength)?

Plus, Pirelli have let them do this for many races.
 
How about making some decent tyres (and I don't mean tyre wear, but structural strength)?

Plus, Pirelli have let them do this for many races.

He keeps just over looking the fact they built tyres last year which were fine with structural strength. Changed that design to save money and now have this problem. Their answer to the problem? Go back to last years Kevlar construction.. Surprise surprise. End of the day, they tried to save money (everyone involved I'd imagine, FIA, teams etc) Thought great but it's back fired, To save face Pirelli have to place as much of the blame as possible else where.

They all got it wrong.
 
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Williams have had a small fire and it's the kers again. I belive it's pasta car that is affected but should be good for Q1.

It was the battery that caused the smoke not fire. Pasta is on track for the start of P3 well done Williams.
 
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He keeps just over looking the fact they built tyres last year which were fine with structural strength. Changed that design to save money and now have this problem. Their answer to the problem? Go back to last years Kevlar construction.. Surprise surprise. End of the day, they tried to save money (everyone involved I'd imagine, FIA, teams etc) Thought great but it's back fired, To save face Pirelli have to place as much of the blame as possible else where.

They all got it wrong.

Pirelli didn't stop using kevlar belts for steel belts to save money.
 
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