Germany and cannabis laws...

I think it should be legalised, absolutely. Most people are either completely ignorant about it, or just don't like it themselves and so want to ban anybody from using it.

I smoke weed probably once a month. I make sure it's a Friday and I don't have any AM driving to do the next day. I spend the evening playing video games or watching films, if a mate is round then we chat crap and laugh a lot. Somehow I run a small business and have a lovely family while occasionally partaking in this "stinking horrible mind bending stuff, crazy eh?

I don't think the argument is that weed is completely safe and harm free, it isn't, but the vast majority of people are able to enjoy its use in moderation and our rights to control of what we do shouldn't be restricted by the ignorant or stupid.
 
But your view is a worthless opinion without any supporting evidence , let alone your logic seems deeply flawed. If people turning up under the influence of drugs or alcohol are such a critical problem then one of them should be illegal then this has to apply to both, and you should be proposing to ban alcohol to be logically consistent.

You're right, hence why I said it's my view - nobody in the history of the world has ever had a hypothesis...

I also don't believe my thinking is flawed purely because the attitudes towards alcohol consumption and smoking weed are clearly different, it's not just if one is legal or not.

Government stats show drug driving is on the rise and more importantly 44% are re-offenders. There was also a poll reported in the Guardian that showed 50% of cannabis users think it's safe to drive when high. Clearly there are a lot of drug users who think it's okay to drive whilst under the effects. Alcohol related accidents and arrests are declining because whilst legal, society's attitudes towards doing it and driving clearly differs to those who like to smoke weed.
 
I also don't believe my thinking is flawed purely because the attitudes towards alcohol consumption and smoking weed are clearly different, it's not just if one is legal or not.
Very much so.

If you get approached by somebody drunk off their head they'll either try and punch you or hug you. Or both.

A weed head will either dribble at you or ask for a biscuit.
 
Are we ever going to do the smart thing. The amount of money raised from the tax could be used for beneficial things.

Nah, lets keep the money going to criminals

According to (I think it was him who posted it) Dis86, both the criminal alcohol and tobacco trades are multi billion industries and both those things are legal. I don't think legalising it is going to suddenly mean criminals aren't going to profit out of it.
 
Are we ever going to do the smart thing. The amount of money raised from the tax could be used for beneficial things.

Nah, lets keep the money going to criminals
It's a good point, tax could be used in government drug stores to provide help for those wishing to kick any habit.

At the moment it's just ignored beyond paying for prison time. Hell, I know for a fact some people have committed criminal damage just to get a sentence so they can get on to a drug treatment programme quicker.
 
According to (I think it was him who posted it) Dis86, both the criminal alcohol and tobacco trades are multi billion industries and both those things are legal. I don't think legalising it is going to suddenly mean criminals aren't going to profit out of it.
Of course they are and there will always be people who will go the criminal route. I know even in America and Canada in some states people still go for the illegal route as it undercuts the dispensaries.

Speaking personally. If I have the option of a legal dispensary or the black market, I'd go the legal route each and every time. Right now I can't do that so I have choose to go online and visit onion fields.

It's a good point, tax could be used in government drug stores to provide help for those wishing to kick any habit.

At the moment it's just ignored beyond paying for prison time. Hell, I know for a fact some people have committed criminal damage just to get a sentence so they can get on to a drug treatment programme quicker.

That's how I feel. I'm a liberal person though so I believe people should be able to take whatever they wish. What I do want though is a lot of education around drugs. Not the scare mongering reefer madness nonsense but actual objective facts so that people go into doing something knowing the risks.
 
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That's how I feel. I'm a liberal person though so I believe people should be able to take whatever they wish. What I do want though is a lot of education around drugs. Not the scare mongering reefer madness nonsense but actual objective facts so that people go into doing something knowing the risks.
Unfortunately the reefer madness argument isn’t nonsense. A lot of MH patients I’ve met due to my own MH issues have been cannabis smokers or indeed alcoholics. It’s safe for some but not everybody. Alcohol and cigarettes should be banned too but it’s too late for that.

Why legalize another potentially harmful substance.
 
According to (I think it was him who posted it) Dis86, both the criminal alcohol and tobacco trades are multi billion industries and both those things are legal. I don't think legalising it is going to suddenly mean criminals aren't going to profit out of it.
What % of the overall market for those legal things does that represent? Currently weed is 100% in the hands of criminals*, no one is expecting that to be 0% when its legalised but its still important to reduce it as much as possible. You'd think the amount of transactions not being taxed would be enough to convince the government to get involved.

*aware theres some NHS/medical avenues to access it but I expect that to be very difficult to access.
 
Unfortunately the reefer madness argument isn’t nonsense. A lot of MH patients I’ve met due to my own MH issues have been cannabis smokers or indeed alcoholics. It’s safe for some but not everybody. Alcohol and cigarettes should be banned too but it’s too late for that.

Why legalize another potentially harmful substance.

While it is very unfortunate for those it negatively effects, how about those that it positively effects? Do they not matter either?

It's easy enough to get it now that it being legal only changes the beneficiaries.

It's about time it was here too

For those complaining about the smell legalisation would more than likely reduce the amount of people physically smoking weed. Based on observation of things in Canada, far more people consume their cannabis either by vapes, or edibles.

I'd say combustion is certainly becoming the less popular way of ingestion. While most people still take it that way there has been a massive move to dry herb vapes, concentrates in traditional vape liquid, eating or tinctures.

I do sympathise with people who don't like the smell. While I love it, the last thing I want to do is bother anyone. I usually just go in my shed if i see any neighbours windows are open. Though I've moved to vaping recently as it smells a lot less and is quite discretionary so no one gets the hump about the smell.
 
While it is very unfortunate for those it negatively effects, how about those that it positively effects? Do they not matter either?
You don’t need to take it, I assume you’re not addicted. If it affects 10 people positively and 1 person negatively then it should still be banned. The potential to cause harm is the key. The only good thing about legalizing it is that it may be less potent but more people will take it up like people drink to excess now because it’s legal.
 
You don’t need to take it, I assume you’re not addicted. If it affects 10 people positively and 1 person negatively then it should still be banned. The potential to cause harm is the key. The only good thing about legalizing it is that it may be less potent but more people will take it up like people drink to excess now because it’s legal.

Yet in Australia they've legalised MDMA and Psilocybin for mental health and psychological support.

In the right situations they are useful and provide more help than harm.

You don't need to take paracetamol if you have a headache but people do because it helps.
 
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You don’t need to take it, I assume you’re not addicted. If it affects 10 people positively and 1 person negatively then it should still be banned. The potential to cause harm is the key. The only good thing about legalizing it is that it may be less potent but more people will take it up like people drink to excess now because it’s legal.

'the potential to cause harm'... Everything has the potential to cause harm. Nuts have the potential to end my sisters life. Shall we ban a sell on all nuts too? Not everyone suffers a nut allergy but a few people do so by your logic we should ban nuts.
I don't think it being legal will cause people to smoke more. If anything if it was legal and I could go to a shop on the way home, I'd probably smoke less.

Regardless, i stick to my point. It's unfortunate that some people do have issues with a particular substance but that is not grounds for banning it for everyone.
 
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