Giganet FTTP

izzop · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:17

kosymodo said:
Lol @izzop I frequent it often!

The £55 install charge is a bit offputting I have to say...suppose it's offset by the 3 free months

Where have you read £55 install charge? As I've just duoble checked and don't appear to be paying that, in fact, free installation.

kosymodo · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:31

Here...

Surely not coz mine is a migration from an existing FTTP?

Caged · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:41

People talking about Giganet need to differentiate between Cityfibre and Openreach networks

ESP72 · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:42

I just switched to their 500mb service a week ago from Talk Talk's equivalent. I had a bit of an issue at switchover and lost access for a few days, their customer service wasn't great, I had to chase every ticket and a call from someone in their technical team never emerged. I ended up identifying the issue myself and fixing it (long story, Eero related). The network performance seems ok so far, am never sure how much I trust any of the speedtests being fairly sure some ISPs might re-priotise traffic (I used to get wildly optimisitc speeds with Talk Talk using Fast.com sometimes hundreds of m/b faster than my connection. That caveat in place, latency seems a lot higher to fast.com, looking at some of my old screenshots I got 2ms unloaded and 3-4 loaded. Trying it now for Giganet I get 520 mbps, 14ms unloaded 18 loaded. NB: appreciate Netflix cache content either in ISPs or local points of presence and it may reflect that Talktalk are better situated... Am getting 506 mbps from Okla Speedtest.net. 20ms ping. Interestingly by IP resolves as TalkTalk though trying Cloudflare it shows as an IPv6 address owned by Giganet.
I'll see how it goes...

ESP72 · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:43

As per Caged comment, show have mentioned it's Openreach

izzop · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:47

Caged said:
People talking about Giganet need to differentiate between Cityfibre and Openreach networks

Possibly, however I'm talking solely about Giganet

kosymodo said:
Here...

Surely not coz mine is a migration from an existing FTTP?

Mmmmm...

No idea why that would be and you'd hope it's not a 'Migration' charge.

kosymodo · 24 Feb 2023 at 14:47

Caged said:
People talking about Giganet need to differentiate between Cityfibre and Openreach networks

What's the difference? (Apart from the physical difference) Their site doesn't specify a difference in approach to either network, in terms of pricing differences etc. This is a genuine question from a position of some ignorance!

Caged · 24 Feb 2023 at 15:02

Cityfibre is symmetric and activation is £0. Openreach is asymmetric and activation is £55.

kosymodo · 24 Feb 2023 at 15:33

Thanks again @Caged - every day is a school day!

kosymodo · 24 Feb 2023 at 15:38

Caged said:
Cityfibre is symmetric and activation is £0. Openreach is asymmetric and activation is £55.

Also, to add to this - the 3 free months are not available on Openreach, only Giganet & CityFibre networks

Neil Fleming · 25 Feb 2023 at 08:08

Can't really complain at this taken after the rest of the house had gone to bed from a wired connection

https://flic.kr/p/2oiJ3Xj

Ad_Augendae · 25 Feb 2023 at 13:10

Neil Fleming said:
Can't really complain at this taken after the rest of the house had gone to bed from a wired connection
https://flic.kr/p/2oiJ3Xj

Are you using QOS

ESP72 · 25 Feb 2023 at 13:32

Ad_Augendae said:
Are you using QOS

No, but there would have been nothing else active on the network
(sorry posted from different account, am ditching the one above).

Ad_Augendae · 25 Feb 2023 at 13:40

Ad_Augendae said:
Are you using QOS

ESP72 said:
No, but there would have been nothing else active on the network
(sorry posted from different account, am ditching the one above).

Fancy Humouring me by doing another test this time clicking analysis and re posting

ESP72 · 25 Feb 2023 at 13:47

Ad_Augendae said:
Fancy Humouring me by doing another test this time clicking analysis and re posting

Quick copy and paste NB: kids are streaming some garbage on Youtube at same time:

Idle
Down A
Up A
Stream Avg
411.4 Mbps
Download Average
513.7 Mbps
Upload Average
65.4 Mbps
Faster than 97.2% of tests in Scotland
In top 1% on your ISP using FTTH/FTTP
Quality 0.10 (A) is better than average 0.74 (A) for FTTH/FTTP

ESP72 · 25 Feb 2023 at 13:51

What I cannot quite figure is why all the Speedtest services think I'm still on TalkTalk who are my old ISP, Cloudflare's thinks the ASN still belongs to TalkTalk, but it doesn't and when I set Think Boardband to Giganet as the ISP it changes it to TalkTalk so take i top 1% with pinch of salt above. it's probably about average

route: x.x.x.x/20
descr: Giganet IPv4 Address Space
origin: AS198440
mnt-by: M12-NOC
created: 2023-01-31T09:13:32Z
last-modified: 2023-01-31T09:13:32Z
source: RIPE

Though when you drill into it on Cloudflare's test it says Giganet. Old records somewhere maybe...

Ad_Augendae · 25 Feb 2023 at 14:11

If I recall I had some strange thing like that when I moved from BT to Plusnet, it resolved quite quickly.

Neil Fleming · 26 Feb 2023 at 08:28

Ad_Augendae said:
If I recall I had some strange thing like that when I moved from BT to Plusnet, it resolved quite quickly.

Figured it, looks like the Speedtest services use Maxmind for IP Geolocation. They have my current ipv4 address as TalkTalk and ipv6 as Giganet, which totally mirrors what's happening on Cloudflare and Speednet say the use Maxmind. Suspect it's this influencing latency results somewhat.

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labcoattech · 26 Feb 2023 at 08:46

Just checked the small print on the Giganet website and it looks like the 3 months free is only for CityFibre networks.

Ad_Augendae · 26 Feb 2023 at 11:20

Ad_Augendae said:
If I recall I had some strange thing like that when I moved from BT to Plusnet, it resolved quite quickly.

Neil Fleming said:
Figured it, looks like the Speedtest services use Maxmind for IP Geolocation. They have my current ipv4 address as TalkTalk and ipv6 as Giganet, which totally mirrors what's happening on Cloudflare and Speednet say the use Maxmind. Suspect it's this influencing latency results somewhat.

My current range:

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Well spotted, that makes perfect sense.