Gislaved Tyres?

I'm sorry but I think you need to adjust your definition of normal, as in "putting your foot down in 2nd whilst coming off a roundabout" is not normal - as in 90% of the population don't drive like that. I'm sure the little old dear in her 1.2 Clio or 17yr old lass on her way to college every morning have no issues at all with there £20 ling longs!

I will agree with others though - if you do any kind of spirited driving, budget tyres are a no no. You only have to spend a little more for something like Toyo T1R's (on my Westfield) or Kuhmo KU31's (on my Cosworth) and you'll have a tyre that is leagues beyond the budgets and half the price of premium brands.

are you trolling too? no one accelerates away from tight roundabouts roundabouts in 2nd gear?

the test was to see the level of friction between road and tyre. it was an intentional test, which is much better than having to find out how much grip you dont have when you have to stop in a hurry

i then adjusted my driving to "like driving bare footed when the pedals are covered in broken glass" because the tyres were beyond rubbish
 
are you trolling too? no one accelerates away from tight roundabouts roundabouts in 2nd gear?

I didn't say no-one did that, I said most "normal" people don't do that.
 
im on my second set of those tyres, ive been raving about them for ages now and its good to finally see others agreeing too. they cost peanuts and are brilliant tyres, its made to think anyone would be gislave/maragoni or any rubbish like that
 
Yes, they are a cracking tyre. So much so when the T1R's on the Westfield need replacing I'm going to try the KU31's.
 
Ok, I'm still here, thankfully...

There appears to be two issues here; the intended subject of the thread and a tangent (although probably more interesting).

1. The initial question: what do people think of Gislaved Tyres?

Yes, I was a little surprised by these too as I had not heard of the brand and wondered exactly what had been fitted. However, on doing some subsequent research they appear to be a reasonable mid range tyre, priced as such, and I have no problem with having it on my car.

Is it a Eagle F1, etc? No. Did I go in with the intention of getting one? No. I wanted a like for like replacement being happy with the performance of my original tyres and I am content that that's what I have ended up with.

If your principles, driving style and assessment of the relevant merits and risks requires you to buy a premium tyre that is fine. It is not one I share, and I would appreciate if you would stop inferring that these tyres are some bargain basement rubbish. They appear to be perfectly competent mid range tyres.

2. The tangent: is it right to replace one wheel on the same axle only?

Probably the more interesting point of debate. I have no doubt that at the far edge of the spectrum you may see some sort of demonstrable performance difference. How much? I don't know. Nonetheless the other tyre is not exactly old and has plenty of trim, so it's not like having a bald tyre and a tyre with full grip.
 
When I had the full size spare on the front of the Fiesta I noticed my car would torque steer. I'd like to say at was the epic power but sadly it wasn't. I suspect it was the slight difference in grip that caused an imbalance somewhere. These tyres are hardly expensive, if you rate them so much then get a matching pair on.
 
If your principles, driving style and assessment of the relevant merits and risks requires you to buy a premium tyre that is fine. It is not one I share,

Do you realise the difference in wet braking performance from the speed limit, ie not hooning around in a sports car, that tyres make?

and I would appreciate if you would stop inferring that these tyres are some bargain basement rubbish.

Why? They are.

2. The tangent: is it right to replace one wheel on the same axle only?

Probably the more interesting point of debate. I have no doubt that at the far edge of the spectrum you may see some sort of demonstrable performance difference. How much? I don't know. Nonetheless the other tyre is not exactly old and has plenty of trim, so it's not like having a bald tyre and a tyre with full grip.

Fifth Gear did a test a number of years back. They drove a normal hatchback around on mismatching tyres. The results were interesting and justify our hatred of people who consider motoring something where corners are to be cut to save a few pence.
 
Not the opinion of my local tyre fitter who I trust and have used in the past, who in giving be such an opinion missed out on the sale of another tyre.

I think I will take the word of his over a layman.

A tyre fitter is among the lowest skilled workers in the country. There is no reason to trust his advice any more than you would a salesman in a mobile telephone shop. He fits tyres, why would he be qualified to appraise their performance any more than anyone else?
 
[TW said:
Fox]Why? They are.

Is this your subjective opinion or is it based on either facts or first hand experience?

Simple unfounded statements of opinion like "They are." are an endemic problem with this forum and one reason why I don't post much.

[TW said:
Fox]Do you realise the difference in wet braking performance from the speed limit, ie not hooning around in a sports car, that tyres make?

Please point me in the direction of some results. If I think a premium tyre warrants the increased price in its tested performance over an average, run of the mill mid range one at the time I will consider it.

[TW said:
Fox]Fifth Gear did a test a number of years back. They drove a normal hatchback around on mismatching tyres. The results were interesting and justify our hatred of people who consider motoring something where corners are to be cut to save a few pence.

How mismatched were the tyres? What were the conditions? How was the car being driven? You know nothing about me, so to make a statement such as "corners are to be cut to save a few pence" is rather outlandish. In every aspect of life you can buy something rubbish that won't last (generally best steered clear from), something reasonable that will do the job required, or something premium. I typically switch between the later two depending on the priority I put on that product. Towards the premium end of any market you will typically pay exponentially more for a steady increase in performance. I wish I could buy a premium everything, but sadly at the moment I can't; nor I suspect can most other people. So, who are you to tell me where my priorities should lie?

[TW[Fox said:
]A tyre fitter is among the lowest skilled workers in the country. There is no reason to trust his advice any more than you would a salesman in a mobile telephone shop. He fits tyres, why would he be qualified to appraise their performance any more than anyone else?

You're correct. Clearly this person must be the dumbest person in the world, because they successfully managed to talk themselves out of a sale.
 
Please point me in the direction of some results. If I think a premium tyre warrants the increased price in its tested performance over an average, run of the mill mid range one at the time I will consider it.

Several reputable publications publish unbiased and impartial tyre tests. Of these, Autocar and Autoexpress are the most relevent as they cover regular tyres as well as the high performance sports orientated tyres.

In each test, tyres such as those which you describe have a very poor result.


I typically switch between the later two depending on the priority I put on that product. Towards the premium end of any market you will typically pay exponentially more for a steady increase in performance. I wish I could buy a premium everything, but sadly at the moment I can't; nor I suspect can most other people. So, who are you to tell me where my priorities should lie?

A tyre is the only thing between your car and the road surface. Of all the places not to purchase the best you can afford, tyres are not one of them. It's not like buying a poor quality air filter or perhaps a budget brand stereo. They are safety critical and the performance difference between quality (You don't need £150 a corner Contispot Contacts, you just need avoid the no-name rubbish) tyres and the plethora of cheap and horrible tyres on the market is, frankly, scary.

The British Standards applied to tyre production are so woefully inadaquete it would be funny were it not so potentially dangerous.

You're correct. Clearly this person must be the dumbest person in the world, because they successfully managed to talk themselves out of a sale.

I just find it suprising how many people trust tyre fitters so implicitly. At worst they view a 'Which tyre is best for me?' question in the same way they view a 'Which tyre do you have which, if sold to me, gives you the best margin?' question and at best you get misleading advice based on... well, who knows.

Last tyre fitter I spoke to recommended Ceat tyres for my car because they are 'made by goodyear and therefore are just as good' as my preferred choice of tyre.
 
[TW[Fox said:
]In each test, tyres such as those which you describe have a very poor result.

My point is that you are automatically putting this brand/model of tyre into your preconception of what you think it is (bargain basement rubbish), without any objective basis for it. I don't know if it's great, I don't know if it's not. The only reviews I have found, albeit limited, are fairly positive. So, because of that I will give it chance before commenting on it. What I wanted was to see if anyone had or previously used this brand/model of tyre.

[TW[Fox said:
]A tyre is the only thing between your car and the road surface. Of all the places not to purchase the best you can afford, tyres are not one of them. It's not like buying a poor quality air filter or perhaps a budget brand stereo. They are safety critical and the performance difference between quality (You don't need £150 a corner Contispot Contacts, you just need avoid the no-name rubbish) tyres and the plethora of cheap and horrible tyres on the market is, frankly, scary.

I was talking about products generally (car being a singular) rather than being limited to different car products.
 
It's about the balance of probabilities. What do YOU think the chance of a very cheap, very unknown tyre offering comparable performance to premium brands is, versus the chance of it offering comparable performance to similarly priced brands of Chinese tyres?
 
DON'T ARGUE WITH THE BEAR.

If I'm honest they do sound crap but I would like to see a proper review, rather than Kevin from Essex telling me that they are well wicked. They are an unknown quantity, even you weren't sure about them when you drove away.
 
[TW]Fox;15088184 said:
It's about the balance of probabilities. What do YOU think the chance of a very cheap, very unknown tyre offering comparable performance to premium brands is, versus the chance of it offering comparable performance to similarly priced brands of Chinese tyres?

I didn't say it was "very" cheap.
 
here is a post i put up on another board a while ago

autocar did a test of wingwang type tyres vs a continental (at the contidrome, so maybe a bit predictable)

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Prices for a single 205/55 R16 tyre

Continental (Continental Premium Contact 2) £75.83
GT Radial £58.65
Nankang £55.20
Wanli £51.41
Linglong £52.44
Triangle £51.06

Chinese quality lags behind

Tyres are a distress purchase for many car owners, so when the time comes to replace them it’s no surprise that many motorists shop on price. But Autocar’s latest tyre test reveals that fitting budget Far Eastern tyres can seriously affect the way a car copes in wet weather.

Imported tyres from China and Taiwan currently account for one-fifth of all tyres sold in the UK, and although these pass the minimum ECE R30 high-speed test, there are no statutory tests for braking, handling or aquaplaning performance, and even the R30 test is considered inadequate by many car makers.

Autocar tested five leading budget brands – the GT Radial, Linglong, Nankang, Triangle and Wanli – against an established premium tyre from Continental. The magazine conducted its own tests for wet handling and braking, dry handling and braking and aquaplaning, plus a more stringent high-speed test.

Autocar senior tester Jamie Corstorphine said, “We expected the bargain tyres in this test to fall short of the Continental, but we were not prepared for just how poorly some performed.” With on average 200 days of rain each year, a wet handling and braking test is vital for learning about the capabilities of a tyre. Braking from 50mph, the Continental stopped in the shortest distance, followed by the Nankang, GT Radial, Wanli, and Triangle, with the Linglongs taking the longest to stop. Shod with the Linglongs, the VW Golf Autocar used for its tests was still doing 27.8mph at the point where it had stopped on the Continentals.

Overall the Continentals easily won, scoring top marks in all but one test. A consistent performance earned the GT Radials second place, but a wet lap time 3.4sec adrift of the Continentals indicated just how far even it falls short.

“Having seen how the five cut-price tyres in this test perform, we’re in no doubt that quality pays dividends,” said Corstorphine.

and then from another test with the same Continental Premium Contact 2

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/total_tyre_guide/212643/braking.html

Wet Braking Results

Kumho 100.0 Toyo 99.9
Michelin 99.4 Uniroyal 98.7
Maxxis 98.6 Vredestrein 98.6
Goodyear 98.3 Hankook 94.3
Continental 94.3 Bridgestone 94.2
Yokohama 94.0 Matador 93.7
Dunlop 93.6 Pirelli 92.3
Fulda 88.6 BF Goodrich 84.9
 
[TW]Fox;15088449 said:
I should have hoped it was, or you've been ripped off.

Again, another quite baseless comment if you actually have no knowledge of this brand and tyre model.

As it happened, it was around £75 inc. fitting which is reasonable for a mid range tyre.

I love that Continental tyre chart with the X scale starting at 30. It's almost as if Linglong is five times worse....

And as far as I can figure out, Gislaved is not a Chines brand. It is a Nordic brand, which would appear to specialise in high grip winter tyres, and a sub-division/group company of Continental.
 
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