Then you have a closed mind & are not worth debating with.
God & Science Proved!
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Rubbish. I am 47 years old and done the reading etc etc. My choice is fixed in my faith and belief as a christian. Nothing to do with science or being uneducated. Faith is sometimes a hard pill for some people to swallow. To go out on a limb, against the tide and stand up for what they truely believe in. For me, it is my faith in god. I am truely happy that i have my god to believe in.
I would never try to say non believers are wrong and they 'have' to believe what i do. It is entirely up to them.
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Actually it's 6 days Creation and light came on the first day. The bible states that the grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree were created on the third day.
Absolutely - the bible supports so many scientific discoveries (to name a few):
- Earth is spherical [Isaiah 40:22; Proverbs 8:27]
- Earth is suspended by mavity [Job 26:7]
- Valleys and springs in the sea [2Samuel 22:16; Job 38:16]
- Wind currents [Ecclesiastes 1:6]
- Ocean currents [Psalm 8:1, 3, 6, 8]
- Astronomy - amazing, shows a knowledge of e.g. Orions belt, group of stars making up Pleiades and the 'runaway sun' Arcturus [Job 38:31-32]
All these discoveries were made/confirmed after the individual books were written.
Not much point going on about it more as the more I put the more I tend to get flamed/trolled - but it is an interesting topic and discussed respectfully can be very interesting.
Unfortunately this (and other) forums tend to end up being each side attacking the others views, to no real end.
Trouble is as soon as people know I'm a Christian I'm suddenly closed minded and that's it as far as people are concerned - often the evolutionists are just as closed minded. Not generalising but just saying.
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Without meaning to be rude, why do you believe that? Obviously faith is an important part of religion, but is there anything other than having been told god exists that makes you believe it? Something you have felt or seen.
I would have described myself as a Christian until I went to uni and didn't find a church to go to. When I stopped going to church for a couple of years I realised the only reason I believed any of it was because I spent so much time being told/telling myself it was true.
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You are truly a testament to a failed education system, do go and study a bit, it will do you good.
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There are various theories about this. Mine is a combination of an advanced form photosynthesis on a planetary scale that of course we don't understand yet, as well as the possibility of decreases in density of the planet.
There is websites and everything look http://www.expanding-earth.org/ But i don't agree with all the theories about where the extra mass comes from. http://www.xearththeory.com/
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All those are just gross generalisations, where are the equations, the knowledge derived from them.
I have met many scientists and wise men who were fixed on their habits, and loving their theories and ideas, and it took evidence to convince them, I wouldn't call that close minded, I would call that being clever.
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I know this question wasn't put to me but religion is often works based, i.e. go to church, try and be a good person etc.
The word Christian in the true meaning of the word is 'Christ one' or belonging to Jesus Christ. As a born again Christian I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God. My faith and trust is in Him and in what He did on the Cross, dying for my sin and rising again 3 days later.
Knowing Jesus personally is what makes Christianity different to religion - if someone goes to Church and doesn't know Jesus then the bible describes that person as religious.
How can you describe something to someone when they have no point of reference? i.e. how do you describe to someone when you know if you're in love? Often people say, 'well you just know'. That's a poor example but goes a little way to describe what it's like (and much more beside) to know Jesus.
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I simply believe that there is a page missing at the start of the bible that says:
"All characters contained within these pages are entirely fictitious. Any relation to real persons alive or dead is purely coincidental"
Anything else (ie. anything 'serious') on the religious aspect is beyond me and therefore it doesn't exist.
Darwin F T W
"All characters contained within these pages are entirely fictitious. Any relation to real persons alive or dead is purely coincidental"
Anything else (ie. anything 'serious') on the religious aspect is beyond me and therefore it doesn't exist.
Darwin F T W
Obviously i went to Catholic school and got taught on the subject. I stopped going to church for 20+ years, i fell by the wayside so to speak. My mum passed away and i went back to church. It helped me no end. My dad passed away. Again, going to church helped me.
I have stayed with the church and my beliefs have increased. Not through being taught, as i was when i was younger but by my strong faith in god etc. I dont need proof that god exists. I have my faith. That is good enough for me. If some want to ridicule me for that then go ahead.
Exactly, the point here is that the genesis clearly separates the light and the sun as two separate entities. My interpretation of the genesis is that whoever wrote it however long ago it was written simply was yet unaware that light came from the sun. (Before anyone starts claiming that todays bible is grossly mistranslated, well that rather lame defence only proves how wrong the book in its current translation possibly can be).
According to the Genesis, the light was created first, then plants, then the sun (with some other bits in between those three as well), and you dont need to tell me I'm reading it wrong or misinterperating it, I've read the genesis countless times and know that it says this, and cannot logically make any conclusion from what is written within it that clearly states light > plants > sun.
I found what a lot of people will dismiss as an unreliable internet link with a cut down summary of the events of the biblical creation, the websites name indicates to me that this is a pro christian website and that they wouldnt be wanting to lie about their own religion:
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-ordercreation.html
Modern defenders of the genesis will claim that the sun was created on the first day, as it says 'light was created on day one', but if you read it carefully and accurately, it clearly separates 'light' and 'sun and stars' onto two separate creation days (days 1 + 4).
Im very confident that it is a fact that the sun / star needs to exist before anything else in its solar system, as the entire system cannot be formed in the first place without the suns mavity, and life most definitely cannot form without sunlight and a planet within a habitable zone. How does water even form without any heat from the sun to melt the ice?
I also definitely fully believe with confidence that the Earth was most certainly not the first thing that ever existed in our universe.
I absolutely cant believe that habitable planets and life on them was created by a single creator of purely mythical origin, looking at and reading about the amazing vastness of the universe, its planets, stars, and any other matter cannot bring me to a logical conclusion that all of it was made by a single omnipotent / omnipresent creator as most religions teach.
Also according to that link, God made everything a vegetarian? Seriously no.
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That's not true. It's not that you're a Christian, it's the fact that you're close-minded.
That is a wrong statement as there are many scientists who are strong christians!
Did you read what he said?
Many 'scientists' arent exactly good or clever scientists.
Far fewer 'scientists' are religious compared to the proportion of religious people in any society.
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Many, not really, agnostics a lot, believers in a superior being, some, christians, either strong or weak, few.
Many 'people' aren't exactly good or clever 'people'. That statement means nothing.
The latter part of your post indicates that scientists do have a better grasp of the world and universe around us than the rest of their society though - by vitrue of not being religious.
As Alex pointed out, read it again.