God & Science Proved!

[elmarko]

Rubbish I am 47 years old and done the reading etc etc. My choice is fixed in my faith and belief as a christian. Nothing to do with science or being uneducated. Faith is sometimes a hard pill for some people to swallow. To go out on a limb, against the tide and stand up for what they truely believe in. For me, it is my faith in god. I am truely happy that i have my god to believe in.

I would never try to say non believers are wrong and they 'have' to believe what i do. It is entirely up to them.

I never said you were uneducated - just you have a closed mind & are not worth debating with.

You have already stated that nothing could change your point of view, if that's how you feel then why bother debating?.

There are millions of things somebody could present to me which would disprove evolution, which I'd be open to see (just none of them have been done yet) - but a Human skeleton carbon-dated to well before our evolution is one thing.

You can't say the same, because you have already decided for 100% certain & nothing will change your mind.

That makes you irrational & a zealot, these are not insults but facts.

 

[Tombo]

Many, not really, agnostics a lot, believers in a superior being, some, christians, either strong or weak, few.

I read this post in his voice.

 

[boxman2000]

Darwin F T W

Of course we all know Darwin didn't get any of his facts wrong...

All those are just gross generalisations, where are the equations, the knowledge derived from them.

I have met many scientists and wise men who were fixed on their habits, and loving their theories and ideas, and it took evidence to convince them, I wouldn't call that close minded, I would call that being clever.

Why would God need to prove Himself? Surely we would need to prove God wrong rather than asking Him for more evidence??

Surely being clever would be to allow other things to challenge your beliefs and pit them up against your beliefs and theories, even for the sole purpose of debunking it?

I haven’t met a scientist who hasn’t enjoyed researching and analysing things and although there isn’t scientific formulas to be found in Job (e.g.) there is a lot of information there that can be looked at against scientific discoveries.

The fact that Job is one of the oldest (if not the oldest) book in the bible shows a knowledge of something mankind could not possibly have had unless told by, I don't know, the Creator perhaps?

And this is where my discussion on the thread ends - because it's all too easy to say that it's all subjective and sweeping, it's far from it, that last example (for example) states three very specific things and characteristics/features about them and not generalisations or sweeping statements. Of course it's just easier to shout and say how religion is the cause of all things bad and it is anti-science rather than do a little digging.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything but just show that just because a majority may believe in a theory, doesn't necessarily make it right. I’m open if something were to disprove the bible 100% then I would have to seriously look at what I believe – nothing has to date.

If I'm wrong about my faith in Jesus then when I die I'll just be dead, that's it. Maybe I'll come back as a fly or whatever - nothing I can do about it and at least I haven't hurt anyone in the process.

If I'm right then I will spend eternity enjoying all that God has established but sadly those who didn't choose Jesus as their Lord and saviour will have a rather big shock.

Anyway, enjoy the thread.

 

[bhavv]

Many 'people' aren't exactly good or clever 'people'. That statement means nothing.

The statement meant that many so called 'scientists' arent exactly the geniuses that people think they ought to be.

To become a 'scientist' I would assume that a person needs to have at least studied a science subject up to post grad level, and works in the scientific field.

That really doesnt require much to accomplish other than parrot learning from a few text books, and doesnt make everyone in that situation an Albert Einstein or Issac Newton.

 

[koolpc]

I never said you were uneducated - just you have a closed mind & are not worth debating with.

You have already stated that nothing could change your point of view, if that's how you feel then why bother debating?.

There are millions of things somebody could present to me which would disprove evolution, which I'd be open to see (just none of them have been done yet) - but a Human skeleton carbon-dated to well before our evolution is one thing.

You can't say the same, because you have already decided for 100% certain & nothing will change your mind.

That makes you irrational & a zealot, these are not insults but facts.

Obviously you cant read as i stated i am 47 and have had a life of reading other views, history, science etc. I choose to believe what i want to believe just like you do. Now go put the kettle on and relax!

 

[alexthecheese]

The outside observer could have then documented it and somehow sent it to earth (highly unlikely)

I couldn't get through it all but that made me laugh.

 

[Gilly]

If I'm right then I will spend eternity enjoying all that God has established but sadly those who didn't choose Jesus as their Lord and saviour will have a rather big shock.

This always gets my goat. What about those tribes in the jungle that never have any contact with the outside world? Are they doomed to an eternity of suffering once they die after their peaceful nature-loving life?

The statement meant that many so called 'scientists' arent exactly the geniuses that people think they ought to be.

To become a 'scientist' I would assume that a person needs to have at least studied a science subject up to post grad level, and works in the scientific field.

That really doesnt require much to accomplish other than parrot learning from a few text books, and doesnt make everyone in that situation an Albert Einstein or Issac Newton.

...and to be a religious nut all you have to do is share an imaginary friend. I'm not sure what point you are making.

As already pointed out science and religion are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Flubble]

if god created the universe, what created god? it didn't just pop up out of nowhere and make all this did it? lol

 

[mattyg]

Meh Religion= a bedtime story to shut naughty kids up

Science = real actual stuff

 

[Gilly]

if god created the universe, what created god? it didn't just pop up out of nowhere and make all this did it? lol

That depends. Do you mean the Abrahimic God? Norse Gods? Greek Gods? Roman Gods? Hindu Gods? Egyptian Gods?

 

[mattyg]

That depends. Do you mean the Abrahimic God? Norse Gods? Greek Gods? Roman Gods? Hindu Gods? Egyptian Gods?

Which one of those gods is guilty of torturing and systematically killing millions of african babies Yet will stop what he's doing to help you win the lottery

 

[bhavv]

if god created the universe, what created god? it didn't just pop up out of nowhere and make all this did it? lol

Easy answer.... In Hinduism a Lotus Flower created Bhrama (The main God similar to the bibilical one), who Created everything else .... Or something like that, dont quote me on that, just the kind of nonsense I've always heard

Which one of those gods is guilty of torturing and systematically killing millions of african babies Yet will stop what he's doing to help you win the lottery

Everyone knows that God only cares about first world problems.

 

[Dave M]

Our planet has expanded in size, at one point it was a hard rock with shallow seas that eventually formed larger seas and as it expanded the earth split apart and the oceans cooled the magma. The continents as we know them were all connected at one point on a smaller planet. But as the planet expanded the continents separated from each other.

Science truly is the new religion.

 

[burns]

Obviously i went to Catholic school and got taught on the subject. I stopped going to church for 20+ years, i fell by the wayside so to speak. My mum passed away and i went back to church. It helped me no end. My dad passed away. Again, going to church helped me.

I have stayed with the church and my beliefs have increased. Not through being taught, as i was when i was younger but by my strong faith in god etc. I dont need proof that god exists. I have my faith. That is good enough for me. If some want to ridicule me for that then go ahead.

Thanks for sharing that, always a risk posting anything to do with your beliefs on here .

 

[James J]

Plants before sunlight? What? Where on earth did you get that from?

 

[hola_adios]

If I'm wrong about my faith in Jesus then when I die I'll just be dead, that's it. Maybe I'll come back as a fly or whatever - nothing I can do about it and at least I haven't hurt anyone in the process.

If I'm right then I will spend eternity enjoying all that God has established but sadly those who didn't choose Jesus as their Lord and saviour will have a rather big shock.

Anyway, enjoy the thread.

It is a pity for all those billions of humans who were born before Jesus, I guess they were really in for a big shock ...

 

[elmarko]

Obviously you cant read as i stated i am 47 and have had a life of reading other views, history, science etc. I choose to believe what i want to believe just like you do. Now go put the kettle on and relax!

I'm stating you have a closed mind because you have already stated that no new evidence presented to you would change your opinion, that nothing would change your mind.

That makes you have a closed mind, is it that hard to understand?.

I'm not saying you didn't understand or have not read up on the evidence that exists currently, just that you have a closed mind because you have already dismissed future evidence.

I also fail to see how "reading up on something" which I doubt you can even define would enable you to make a rational judgement call on the probability of it's existence.

You don't know it for sure, it's a matter of faith & you have a closed mind.

 

[Smoking Man]

So is there a possibility of a religion being correct along with science ?

Of course.

There's no contradiction between the existence of God and a scientific explaination of the universe; it's only when you want to believe in the dogma and myths of an organised religion that they contradict each other.

 

[elmarko]

It is a pity for all those billions of humans who were born before Jesus, I guess they were really in for a big shock ...

I love it how people like him also think that because they think science is wrong, the god they believe in is right.

Forgetting that over the history of our civilisation there have been MILLIONS of made up god concepts, all with equal evidence (none) - how fortunate they must be to be born,

Not only in the right country, to the right parents, in the right period in history - to JUST HAPPEN to pick the correct god.

How incredibly fortunate they are, all of them - who all think the same & that they picked right & who have all believed the same thing for the last 10,000+ years....

 

[Stretch]

So is there a possibility of a religion being correct along with science ?

Yes, there's a possibility.