Going back to AMD

Final8y · 28 Jul 2008 at 00:07

Iraklis F.C. said:
if i had to buy an amd board , 9950 compatible and with overclocking in mind i would 100% get the MSI. Trust me i spent 2 months with the dfi which is considered a top make and MSI's just blew the socks of my DFI in terms of both highest Mhz achieved and HTT. ALso it is cheaper and has 4 PCI_E slots.

the greeks who did the 9950 review and hold a WR (9950@3500mhz) had also a MSI

Things have changed & DFI better pull there socks up as the other makes are becoming very good.

FatRakoon · 28 Jul 2008 at 04:05

I read somewhere that DFI are pulling out of the desktop market ???

Im trying to think where the hell I read this now, but Im sure Im not going dip-dip.

I only have one DFI and thats a Socket 754 that only this last week I have been tryign to get a Mobile 3700 running on it but failed so I have put the Newcastle 3000 back in. Flawless with that even at ridiculous clocks, but the Claw37 just dont want to know!

Anyway I just had a peek at the 775 and AM2 DFIs and they look typically DFI'd up

One make I have not seen as of late is IWILL ?

Are they still going?

I liked their boards.

MoodyB · 28 Jul 2008 at 05:28

Haven't kept up to speed with Phenoms & AM2+ boards, but Biostar's line of TForce AM2 boards were very well priced and overclocked better than most other makes. Currently have a £28 3600 Brisbane @ 3ghz in a £38 Biostar TA690G. Can't complain for less than £70.

Might be worth checking XtremeSystems to see what they make of Biostar AM2+ boards now.

Tombo · 28 Jul 2008 at 06:48

psychas · 28 Jul 2008 at 07:54

i heard they launching 790gx motherboards for phenoms and you can clock them 3,4+ ghz stable but its a bit to late

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Jul 2008 at 08:27

Final8y said:
Total rubbish
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3159282&postcount=34
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183025

64bit does put more load on the CPU so may lose 50Mhz or so to running 32bit overclocked which is just hiding the issue of being unstable & putting an OS on that is lighter weight.

Maybe i put it wrong , you are going to need more volts and probably loose some 100-200 MHZ going to 64bits.

For me the phenom would instantly crash at 2800 with vista 64 , while on xp 32bit would crash after 5 minutes or so. I had to give 1.45V to boot into vista x64 and then it would crash after a while...having to increase the volts by 0.05V for the same MHZ as in 32bits is ridiculous. And such increase in volts means extra strain on the PWM , better cooling etc...

You can look in the thread for the DFI and 9950BE for more details in ocing and 64bits , also http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195604

gareth170 · 28 Jul 2008 at 10:43

Iraklis F.C. said:
Also forget Ocing with 64bit OS, impossible.

so wrong. just shows u haven't had a phenom system or u haven't used the software probably..

i can only overclock via amd overdrive due to my disability and i can sure u. u can overclock in a 64bit OS. i will post a screenshot.

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Jul 2008 at 12:31

i have already a phenom 9950 with DFI dude , read my words carefully. I have said that ONLY the msi seems not to be affected and you have a MSI. In the final analysis i maybe have a bad cpu but others in XS agree with me so dont be quick to judge alright?

gareth170 · 28 Jul 2008 at 12:47

Iraklis F.C. said:
i have already a phenom 9950 with DFI dude , read my words carefully. I have said that ONLY the msi seems not to be affected and you have a MSI. In the final analysis i maybe have a bad cpu but others in XS agree with me so dont be quick to judge alright?

but don't tell people its impossible to overclock in a 64bit os because that isn't true. even with a DFI boards it can still overclock in a 644bit os. i agree in a 64bit os it needs more voltage even with an MSI board it needs more voltage but it still works... alright??

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Iraklis F.C. · 28 Jul 2008 at 12:49

rofl mate , did you have a look at post #66?

gareth170 · 28 Jul 2008 at 12:57

Iraklis F.C. said:
rofl mate , did you have a look at post #66?

yes . i did.

easyrider · 28 Jul 2008 at 13:32

Clocking in windows is just wrong.

Emlyn_Dewar · 28 Jul 2008 at 13:38

Not if there is no other way, rather get an overclock through windows than sit at stock.

gareth170 · 28 Jul 2008 at 13:50

easyrider said:
Clocking in windows is just wrong.

why is it wrong?

overclocking in windows works perfectly for me. the person just gonna know what they doing...

FatRakoon · 28 Jul 2008 at 13:57

I myself have given up clocking in any serious way.

Sure, With my previous systems, I made sure that clocking was its prime function, and hell, when I first got my first Conroe... Ok, the E6300 is an allendale, but thats not the point, I mean, it was like twice as fast as my best clocked Opteron at stock, and so I felt the urge to see just how far this little cow went and was stunned to hell and back at the ridiculous speeds even I managed to get, I mean 543FSB ( Unstable, but who gives a stuff - thats just NUTS! )

Now though, Im just no longer bothering with as the systems I have now are far quicker than I really need them to be.

Final8y · 28 Jul 2008 at 20:09

Iraklis F.C. said:
Maybe i put it wrong , you are going to need more volts and probably loose some 100-200 MHZ going to 64bits.

For me the phenom would instantly crash at 2800 with vista 64 , while on xp 32bit would crash after 5 minutes or so. I had to give 1.45V to boot into vista x64 and then it would crash after a while...having to increase the volts by 0.05V for the same MHZ as in 32bits is ridiculous. And such increase in volts means extra strain on the PWM , better cooling etc...

You can look in the thread for the DFI and 9950BE for more details in ocing and 64bits , also http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195604

All your points are true about 64bit needing more Vcore, but that fact still is that a 64bit Os will bring down unstable over clocked CPU far quicker than a 32bit OS.
So unless your over clocking purely for benchmarking & setting records where long term stability is not the goal then a 32bit OS would be better as the unstable overclock will not be brought down so quick.

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Jul 2008 at 21:57

in my case it was so unstable that i was getting "secondary processor not responding.." etc in just 2 mins...

FatRakoon · 30 Jul 2008 at 15:06

Mobo sent back today

Few thigns going through my head such as whether to hold on to the CPU, and the thikng is, that Im going to wait now for a Mobo, but if I sent the CPU back, by the time the new Mobos come out, I will have changed my mind and not bothered at all but now that I have a CPU ready to go in, then I will wont I?

So, anyway, thats the plan, I have everything now but a Mobo and I will keeo them peeled for the 750SB and any info on that.

amkan13 · 30 Jul 2008 at 15:48

ASUS M3A79-T DELUXE has been announced:
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=12238
no ETA though

Indy500 · 31 Jul 2008 at 03:09

FatRakoon said:
Mobo sent back today

Few thigns going through my head such as whether to hold on to the CPU, and the thikng is, that Im going to wait now for a Mobo, but if I sent the CPU back, by the time the new Mobos come out, I will have changed my mind and not bothered at all but now that I have a CPU ready to go in, then I will wont I?

Or, I can show you results I get from a non-AMD\ATI board when I get round to it, and persuade you there are other decent chipsets