Going Vegetarian.
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jezsoup said:
So you condone animal cruelty then? You're a lesser person because of that.
Heck we don't even allow the death penalty in this country. But subjecting countless innocent animals to a life of near torturous conditions doesn't weigh on your conscience whatsoever?
The fact of the matter is meat eaters want to remain ignorant of the truth, lest something spoil their enjoyment of their chicken bucket/rib steak. That's why they present such hostility when you bring up the matter.
squiffy said:And I think you're a lesser person because you don't pray 23 hours a day.
Get off your high horse. You are not better or a more moral person than meat eaters.
Eating meat perpetrates the killing and suffering of innocent animals. I'd called that pretty bad character trait. Don't be naive all your life will you.
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norm said:
Oooo I HATE Veggies that won't eat anything with a face. ESPECIALLY the preachy ones.
Edit: Actually I'll change that, I respect those who won't eat meat for "moral" reasons, but I hate the preachy ones who think they're better than us normal omnivores.
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norm said:
Dunno, probably not as I had a beef sandwich for dinner and I didn't think twice about it.
norm said:
For the last time, we are talking about the humane killings of animals for food. Not animal cruelty, and slaughter houses that don't conform to standards and animal welfare. We all know those places are horrible and immoral, so stop using that as an argument against meat-eaters.
You just keep bringing up the argument that some animals are tortured before they eventually die. I'm going to bold this for you, because maybe it needs to stand out for you to understand it.
We all know that animal cruelty and suffering is wrong. You'll find most meat eaters like myself hate animal cruelty. I donate money to the RSPCA each month for crying out loud. However, we are discussing eating the meat of animals that have been farmed, and killed humanely.
It's an invalid argument but you keep using it as some moral weapon against meat-eaters. What if I used a similarly thin argument that some vegetable farms use machinery to harvest and uproot vegetables, and every year farm workers injure themselves on these machines, losing fingers, toes, and recieve multiple cuts and scratches. That suffering is caused by you keep ordering the vegetables. A laughable argument indeed, but not far from your one either.
PaulStat said:
Precisely, I have a vegetarian friend who don't enjoy eating meat because of the concept of something had to die for her food. It's her decision, but she doesn't see meat-eaters are immoral, and certainly doesn't impose her eating decisions on others, because she knows that eating meat is normal and natural for most people. People like norm seem to think that they are the decider of what's right and wrong, and those who don't follow his ideals are less of a person because of it.
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All you 'so called' veggies out there do one thing for me. Look around your bedroom or house and look at the clothes you are wearing. Virtually everything you can see has involved the death of living creatures at some point and it just makes me laugh when a veggie talks about the killing of other life to eat meat. Just because you don't know how that new shirt got on your back doesn't mean you can't hide your head in the sand, if you do it for one aspect of your life then do it for all otherwise you are hypocrites.
The only reason I can accept why people choose not to eat meat is because they don't like it (like my daughter and Bro In law) or if a doctor has advised you not to.
The only reason I can accept why people choose not to eat meat is because they don't like it (like my daughter and Bro In law) or if a doctor has advised you not to.
norm said:
Unlikely, the meat industry is as busy as ever and demand is huge. We are more likely to outpace our meat supplies than decide to stop eating them.
In other words, we're eating cows and pigs faster than we can farm them.
Remember, for every animal you allow to live, people like penski will eat 3 off the endangered species list.
iCraig said:
You think animal slaughter concerns me in the slightest? The welfare of the animal isn't particularly important when it's dead.
Creatures dieing is fact of life.
I put to the you the welfare and well-being of the animal when it's alive. You ever pondered the conditions of livestock kept caged indoors for the small sum of its miserable existance, only to serve you as a meal on your plate?
norm said:
Point. Missed. Completely. Again.
When livestock are kept in pathetic conditions, battery farms, farm workers torturing animals for their entertainment, etc.. all that repulses me. Let's face it, it repulses everyone with a moral head on their shoulders. But that's a different issue.
We are talking about farms that keep livestock humanely, they look after them properly and give them a happy healthy life until they're ready to become 200 burgers. Then they're killed humanely, and processed. I know that's not always the case, but not every farm and slaughterhouse in the country isn't just a sick and twisted bloodbath arena you know.
When looked after properly and killed humanely, and then fed to us, we say — That's perfectly fine. That's our point.
You keep detracting from it by going on about "but all the animals are in pain all the time blah blah blah" You're just picking out the bad apples and saying that all farms are like that.