Google Pixel and Pixel XL
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sesevans said:
I've got to say your posts throughout this thread are most curious, especially given your join date and the thread start date. Even your posting style reads like a press release.
I don't think you've once posted an even slightly negative view of the rumours, build, or specs, and are now even trying to convince everyone else that the, frankly ridiculous, price of the new phones is justifiable.
I was waiting on these phones as an upgrade from my N5. My N5 actually gave up the ghost about a month ago, but I was going to wait.
In the end, the use of a MS Lumia was enough and I had to sort something - my network effectively supplied me with an S6 for no extra outlay so long as I signed-up for another 18 months, which I took.
I was wondering if I'd regret that decision. On what I've seen and read, no, I don't. I won't now be looking for another phone until about 18 months time. Myabe by than Google will have decided where they want the Pixel phone line to sit. At the moment they seem to want to occupy an inferior phone / high price segment which I really cannot see being sustainable.
In the end, the use of a MS Lumia was enough and I had to sort something - my network effectively supplied me with an S6 for no extra outlay so long as I signed-up for another 18 months, which I took.
I was wondering if I'd regret that decision. On what I've seen and read, no, I don't. I won't now be looking for another phone until about 18 months time. Myabe by than Google will have decided where they want the Pixel phone line to sit. At the moment they seem to want to occupy an inferior phone / high price segment which I really cannot see being sustainable.
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I could have maybe slightly justified this if it had been waterproof, but it's not 
When I recently joined I was not told by the moderator that in order to be a credible poster here that one had to hold a "slightly negative view of the rumours, build or spec". Is that a new qualification or are you making that up?
I am certainly not trying to convince other posters that a price is right for them, only for me. I have a view that Google set the pricing at Apple levels and I have convinced myself that, as you call it, the build or spec is up to Apple standards. I also mentioned the 15% weakness in the Pound vs the Dollar as part of the reason for the higher pricing since June when the Pound first began to tumble.
What makes me think the build/spec is up to Apple standards? Some of the things I most care about on the phone: the camera, the speed, the battery, the overall design and the software. I believe the phone is therefore high gloss sheen enough to rival Apple but really that sheen is not what I care most about. That makes my view different to yours. Clearly your emphasis on the build and spec is paramount and I respect that.
And it is in the software that I see Google really shining. I had not appreciated what they were trying to achieve before yesterday. The rumours, as you call them, did not address something I call their vision. This is what makes them different to other manufacturers in my opinion. They see a post-hardware world where the intelligence in the computer (Assistant), rather than the machine itself, is the reason to own the device. Same with Home. I am prepared to buy into that vision today, while you are not. This will not be easy to market. How do you "sell" the vision rather than the physical object (Apple approach).
Therefore I politely disagree with your assessment, but that is what makes this Board so much fun.
I am certainly not trying to convince other posters that a price is right for them, only for me. I have a view that Google set the pricing at Apple levels and I have convinced myself that, as you call it, the build or spec is up to Apple standards. I also mentioned the 15% weakness in the Pound vs the Dollar as part of the reason for the higher pricing since June when the Pound first began to tumble.
What makes me think the build/spec is up to Apple standards? Some of the things I most care about on the phone: the camera, the speed, the battery, the overall design and the software. I believe the phone is therefore high gloss sheen enough to rival Apple but really that sheen is not what I care most about. That makes my view different to yours. Clearly your emphasis on the build and spec is paramount and I respect that.
And it is in the software that I see Google really shining. I had not appreciated what they were trying to achieve before yesterday. The rumours, as you call them, did not address something I call their vision. This is what makes them different to other manufacturers in my opinion. They see a post-hardware world where the intelligence in the computer (Assistant), rather than the machine itself, is the reason to own the device. Same with Home. I am prepared to buy into that vision today, while you are not. This will not be easy to market. How do you "sell" the vision rather than the physical object (Apple approach).
Therefore I politely disagree with your assessment, but that is what makes this Board so much fun.
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Looks like its exclusive to cpw on o2 and vodafone and priced better than EE.
Now I've seen more hands on videos, it looks a little better to me. Not sure I'm on board with the direction Google is taking, but I'm willing to give it a fair crack - so quietly looking forward to getting my non XL to put it through it's paces.
i swear they announced the price difference between 5x and pixel base model was going to be a difference of £100 most, not double the price!
My nexus 4 has been dying a slow and painful death since August (when they sold off every none contract designated 5x!) I missed the selling of the 5x's by 2 days.
I thought I would wait for the new google range as they are normally on the dot with pricing and spec.
To say im disappointed would be a massive understatement, im absolutely livid ive waited two months to get told yeah 600 quid for the base model, stuff that.
They will sell at the price stated, but it wont become a best seller at those prices.
They drop 100 maybe 150 quid off the base model and there will not be a person out there that wont want one (minus the apple sheep).
My nexus 4 has been dying a slow and painful death since August (when they sold off every none contract designated 5x!) I missed the selling of the 5x's by 2 days.
I thought I would wait for the new google range as they are normally on the dot with pricing and spec.
To say im disappointed would be a massive understatement, im absolutely livid ive waited two months to get told yeah 600 quid for the base model, stuff that.
They will sell at the price stated, but it wont become a best seller at those prices.
They drop 100 maybe 150 quid off the base model and there will not be a person out there that wont want one (minus the apple sheep).
If google nail the marketing (not just in quantity but also quality) and given the budget they have for "just" the UK, I can see the phone selling well. They have the brand power for it just like Samsung and Apple so no worries there unlike HTC...
Also, don't forget, google pretty much control the internet and internet advertisements...
And going by all these deals with networks, it sounds like all your sales reps/shops will be getting good sales commission for selling these phones thus expect them to be pushing these phones on to the "average joe".
It will certainly be interesting to see how the pixel phones are "presented" in the likes of CPW, don't be surprised if the Samsung and Apple presentation stands/areas get pushed a bit further down the store to make way for the Google demonstration area
At the end of the day, if people are willing to pay for the likes of the iphones and note 7 then they aren't going to have any issues paying for a phone by "google" either.
Also, don't forget, google pretty much control the internet and internet advertisements...
And going by all these deals with networks, it sounds like all your sales reps/shops will be getting good sales commission for selling these phones thus expect them to be pushing these phones on to the "average joe".
It will certainly be interesting to see how the pixel phones are "presented" in the likes of CPW, don't be surprised if the Samsung and Apple presentation stands/areas get pushed a bit further down the store to make way for the Google demonstration area
At the end of the day, if people are willing to pay for the likes of the iphones and note 7 then they aren't going to have any issues paying for a phone by "google" either.
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This is the first google announcement of a phone that's interested me since the nexus 4 and tbh I soon regreted that purchase for its lack of polish and camera, nexi used to be nearly top end phones for 2nd tier prices now they are aiming for best in class at bic price points.
I can't see Google altering the price policy for at least one more iteration and doubt they will reduce model price until the pixel 2 is about to arrive, they have the cash pile to stay tough.
£2 per week is £200 over the length of a contract which I doubt would break the bank of a minimum wage earner or a student if they want the phone.
I can't see anyone who is in the market for a top 3 mobile phone being put off by this price, I'm not saying I will buy it but high prices dont stop Samsung or apple sales for what appear atm to be inferior phones.
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I've been put off. I had been looking for a new top end smartphone.
I ended up going for an LG G5. I know it isn't the best phone on the market but it is pretty close. The thing is I got it for £25.60 a month when an S7 Edge or other top phone was going to be £20 per month more than that on a similar tariff.
I'd have gone for a Pixel but I just don't think it close to twice as good as the G5.
With all due respect if you were actually in the market for a £25 pm contract you weren't really in the market for a 2016 top 3 phone.
He might have been. He might just not see the benefit of spending £20 more per month for only a marginal increase in spec. Having the money for something and actually spending it are very different propositions. I could afford to buy a brand new Porsche Cayman S if I wanted to but I cannot justify it.