Google Pixel and Pixel XL

Glaucus said:
so you should only look at photos and videos taken under ideal conditions?
yet 99.99999% of users wont have such conditions, and other cameras on far cheaper phones don't have this issue.

much rather watch real world footage, then press release selected videos, that have taken hundreds f not thousands to whittle don to a very amazing examples.

it is hardly one or two people saying it has camera issues.
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You have absolutely no idea how the video has been done. It then gets uploaded at who knows what bit rate then you view it on your monitor which may have questionable resolution.

You go with that if that floats your boat but I'd rather look at one done professionally and without possible prejudice. We know there is a lens flare issue which is why Google are working on a fix.
 
if it was a single review you would have a point, its not though, even Andys video shows it.

no prejudice? beg to differ. there's a reason professional reviews pictures look better than most of us achieve.
 
AndyCr15 said:
I'm not convinced in 4K there is any (or maybe only a small amount) of EIS. I don't see any judders in your file I downloaded. When I started I even thought to myself what a great image it was, could almost count the threads in your carpet.

At no point does it zoom in and out. The focus bounces because I would say you're clearly in a low light area and swinging the camera around from a 10cm focal range to 3m in a matter of seconds... pretty tough for any phone camera. Almost like you're setting it up to fail.

Can you film in more normal conditions and upload something? Here's my sample (can't remember if I posted it yet) in a variety of conditions.
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I've taken video of my two year old and I wasn't testing for anything at the time, I was just using the camera as I would normally and naturally. That's when I noticed how awful the image quality was, and it's why I shot the less personal footage for testing purposes. I certainly won't be heading off to the studio for perfect lighting conditions every time I want to take some random family footage.

If Google want to talk the talk and charge top dollar, then they'll need to walk the walk. That camera boasts 4k footage and it doesn't provide it. It's a pity because I actually really liked the handset, but I'm within my 14 days of purchase and I don't want to be stuck with a camera that software updates can't fix.

I'll wait for the next Pixel variant before giving Google £700.
 
To be honest I'm not going to bother arguing with you guys, I said I accept that it jumps about a bit when using EIS but this will hopefully be fixed or can simply be turned off.

Stabilisation when the camera is not panning this simply amazing and most agree with quality generally is fantastic.

I've not bothered watching the quoted video above as I don't see that I need to, I can see my own results.
 
for such a high end device, its not simply amazing though, and the issue for anyone buying one now is hopefully. you need to be willing to accept the risk that it maybe a fundamental issue. Sometimes that's worth it, when there's nothing else comparable on the market. But that's not the case here.
 
Sony's EIS solution still remains the best. Obviously Google still have catching up to do, but Sony's engineers have the correct algorithm that works seamlessly with the gyros on the lens to calculate how to implement EIS no matter what direction the camera is panning.

Google have confirmed they will fix the lens glare bug using math (pixel blending in other words), but I think the juddering when panning sideways will remain for quite some time. Look at how long it takes them to change anything in the existing camera app as evidence. This is why OIS is the best form of IS, it also means you don't get a cropped video image as with EIS solutions.
 
It will be interesting how quickly they could push out an update to the pixel though. OIS definitely has benefits but it can't produce some of the results that EIS has shown me on the Pixel. Have a look at my Note 5 vs Pixel video to see.

**EDIT** Go to the 1 minute mark, where I'm walking backwards to the wall...


And here's me walking down the steps in Twickenham. This honestly amazed me.


If they can work out the panning issue, which I think they will, it has potential to be ridiculously good stabilisation.
 
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A tweak below
System UI Tuner
to activate the UI tuner
Pull down the notification bar, tap quick settings, then touch and hold the gear icon for about 5 seconds and release
UI tuner is located at the bottom of the phone settings menu.
The options inside are experimental, so can change, or have new features added or removed with each update.
One handy option is to always show battery percentage.written in the battery icon itself
 
Glaucus said:
if it was a single review you would have a point, its not though, even Andys video shows it.

no prejudice? beg to differ. there's a reason professional reviews pictures look better than most of us achieve.
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In my experience a professional video capability review is conducted under all types of conditions. The difference usually is the cameraman knows how to best use the hardware.
 
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delpy8 said:
A tweak below
System UI Tuner
to activate the UI tuner
Pull down the notification bar, tap quick settings, then touch and hold the gear icon for about 5 seconds and release
UI tuner is located at the bottom of the phone settings menu.
The options inside are experimental, so can change, or have new features added or removed with each update.
One handy option is to always show battery percentage.written in the battery icon itself
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Brill thanks for that!
 
For anyone that's not seen enough sample photo's yet, here are mine. Low light/dark are pretty amazing I would say.

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Had a play with one in cpw. Felt far nicer in the flesh and unsurprisingly was blisteringly quick.
Cannot justify upgrading from my 6p but if the pixel 2 is water resistant then I'm sold!
Android phones to me are now a one horse race
 
Funny that people that don't own the phone are the ones that criticize it.

I've had mine since day one and so far I'm loving it.
 
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