I used deductive reasoning. The Chromecast has no Bluetooth or USB connectivity, which all normal controllers use. The Google controller works via WiFi, so if Chromecast is supported then it must be controlled via the Google controller.
Poll: Google Stadia - CLOSING DOWN on 18th Jan 2023
I used deductive reasoning. The Chromecast has no Bluetooth or USB connectivity, which all normal controllers use. The Google controller works via WiFi, so if Chromecast is supported then it must be controlled via the Google controller.
I expect you will have the different levels (time/off peak/fidelity/game age) of service, with the cost being for the platform and games library combined.
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Well considering PSN charge £5.49 a month, £180 a year is not too bad considering the money it saves you on hardware.
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By the time were ready for PS6 all the platforms will probably be doing this. It'll take at least a gen to work the flaws/latency issues out for people to take it seriously enough to play multiplayer FPSs and the like with it, especially against hardware.
Microsoft are going with a streaming only console (as an option) this gen but could you imagine going up against someone with a full fat machine?
Anyway, we'll see soon enough.
Microsoft are going with a streaming only console (as an option) this gen but could you imagine going up against someone with a full fat machine?
Anyway, we'll see soon enough.
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As I mentioned above too, this is just resolution and scaling. What about the actually level of detail rendered/used?
Also, as you rightly said, how compressed will it all be?
I can see this being a flop until Sony and Microsoft ramp it up when the time is right. It'll still be inferior but many gamers care not for the technical aspects, nor privacy and many people in general just want the convenience of everything "smart" and "cloud" and wrapped up in a lovely monthly sub to make it easier on their simple minds.
SUBSCRIPTION MODEL ALL THE THINGS!
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Didn't Microsoft try this and abandon it with Crackdown 3?
IIRC Crackdown 3 was supposed to stream all static items such as hi-res background textures etc, while allowing key gameplay elements to be rendered console-side, but they couldn't get it to work?
IIRC Crackdown 3 was supposed to stream all static items such as hi-res background textures etc, while allowing key gameplay elements to be rendered console-side, but they couldn't get it to work?
I think MS' vision was more for things like physics and AI to be "powered by the cloud" allowing the console to focus on rendering the actual game. Funnily enough they went quiet on that one, much as they did with Kinect and "TV, TV, TV!".
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There some info saying it's free. All you have to do is pay for the games. I bet there'll be adds all over the place. I'm not interested at all.
For console gaming I want physical games. On PC digital is fine. Just not on stadia.
I'd hoped this would regard improving gaming on Android devices, maybe releasing a controller that all devs will implement rather than relying on touch screen controls.
I already have a controller that attaches to my S9+ and makes it a really nifty handheld console on the games that actually support it, problem is many games don't even allow proper controls. EG Street Fighter 4 is awesome on Android with a real controller, Tekken doesn't even support it.
This new streaming service smacks of them ignoring their existing major user base to try create new revenue streams that I just don't think will exist.
Casual gamers will continue to play free to play games on their phones, hardcore games will continue to want to own their games outright.
I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but I'm predicting very little success for this in an already crowded gaming market.
Also, many associate streaming with dropped connections and low quality performance, whether that's true or not they'll have a very hard time gaining market share with this.
I already have a controller that attaches to my S9+ and makes it a really nifty handheld console on the games that actually support it, problem is many games don't even allow proper controls. EG Street Fighter 4 is awesome on Android with a real controller, Tekken doesn't even support it.
This new streaming service smacks of them ignoring their existing major user base to try create new revenue streams that I just don't think will exist.
Casual gamers will continue to play free to play games on their phones, hardcore games will continue to want to own their games outright.
I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but I'm predicting very little success for this in an already crowded gaming market.
Also, many associate streaming with dropped connections and low quality performance, whether that's true or not they'll have a very hard time gaining market share with this.
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So, You want to play a game? Here sit through this unskippable 10 minute advert first.
20 mins later
Congratulations, you completed the level. Now, just sit through this unskippable 10 minute advert while the next level loads.
20 mins later
Congratulations, you completed the level. Now, just sit through this unskippable 10 minute advert while the next level loads.
I'll be honest this looks great. Wonder what the pricing or economics of it will be. Watching a video from digital foundry it doesn't seem like stadia is too far off the latency you get playing on a console, still slower though. Probably depends on your net / connection to server too. DF said 15mbps is considered on the low end for this and will yield a 720p stream.
Image quality will be the interesting one... Whether it will look like a stream despite being streamed in 4k hdr for example or whether it will hold up Vs a physical console running it.
Image quality will be the interesting one... Whether it will look like a stream despite being streamed in 4k hdr for example or whether it will hold up Vs a physical console running it.
Seems plausible to me. Standard cut for game sales is ~30%, so on a £50 new release, Google takes £15. Add in a few ads here and there, and I can imagine that covering the average cost of streaming the game. For multiplayer, there's potential to use more ads and take a cut of microtransaction revenue to help cover the ongoing costs.
Plus, it opens up new ways to generate revenue using existing Google services; YouTube, Google Home, etc.
That's Interesting - I would have thought there would be a "service charge" as well as individual game charge (possibly with 10's /100's older / basic games coming free as part of the service as they build up)
Highly dubious this will work currently even with Google spending 10s if not 100's of millions of $ at this
There may well be hotspots around the world where this works very well for those not demanding too much, but otherwise not a direct competitor to the PS5 or xbox (or Switch) ...and possibly not even the PS6 (depending on infrastructure improvements in the intervening time
I would be very surprised if it's pay-per-title, rather than a subscription.
It's worth pointing out that these streaming services don't have to render the whole scene on the server. There's various other options like on a third person game like AC having the player character rendered on the client so it's snappy and responsive, but overlaid on the rest of the scene that's on the server. Involves a bit of trickery, but I doable.
It definitely does open up the possibility of doing what crackdown was supposed to do. We will definitely be seeing the next generation of procedural generation tech, using machine learning systems to generate worlds instead of simple noise algorithms.
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They all have BLE but the ultras and refreshed gen2 hockey pucks are certified for Bluetooth radio. Original gen 2s aren't. So it's possible at least I'm theory that the controller could use Bluetooth and/or WiFi.
Ah, good to know.
I'm excited to try it, it seems lots of people are ruling it out up front without even trying it. Assuming it's subscription based then a one month test will let me know if its worth continuing with. Google aren't exactly a small company, they have/are putting a lot of investment and R&D into this. I can't stand buying consoles, the games are more expensive, you have to pay extra to play them online, the only one I would consider getting is a switch for the portability. If this can deliver me a console like experience for a monthly fee through a chromecast ultra plugged into my OLED TV, I'm in. I will still have a gaming PC for competitive games though. I don't see it as an either/or.