GordyR's Beginners Guide to Bodybuilding

DuncanK said:
If you are quick and hurry down to a local Holland & Barratt they currently have their better than halfprice sale on which runs until thurs night i think.

A 908g tub can be had for around a tenner at the moment

Hi,

The H&B stuff is quite good, doesn't taste as nice as Reflex and i find it too thick. You can't get many scoops in a pint of milk but for the price "you can't whack it"!

I get my reflex from http://affordablesupplements.co.uk/ns/default.asp - good prices, free delivery and great customer service.

/pimp mode off

Cheers
 
Not a bad read at all.. Good work Gordr..

You live in Essex.. Where abouts?

I like the empthesis on eating little and often which key. I prepare meals for the week that are quick to eat and ready available on the day. It's not always easy when you have a full time job so prepare the night before..

Technique is key to strength training and bulking up.. not much point in doing 10x20kg arm curls if your swaying all over the place.. Yoiu are waisting your time..go home.. Keep the reps very strict and tight.. Feel the muscle working as your doing your reps. Work the muscle..

Keep the reps moving and don't lock out between reps.. this relaxes the muscle right in the middle of the set..

Know when enough is enough.. 9 sets per muscle group is more than enough.. Don't over do it.. otherwise you'll promote catabolism which means your muscles start to breakdown during training. And as Gordr says.. rest is just as important and the training itself.. Split training is good for this as it gives adequate rest for the muscle groups..

There are no rules for training "what with that".. experiment.. see what suits you.. If you get results, then you are doing it right. If not, then try something different.

My routine for example is a 4 day split, Chest and Abs, Biceps and Triceps, Legs and Abs, Shoulders and Back.

That works for a treat.
 
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Venom_22 said:
Hey Gordy sorry if u have already answered this but are u saying that u have to bulk up, whilst getting a little fat then burn the fat? Can you not do the both at the same time? cheers.


For some reason I haven't been recieving email notification replies for this thread... Sorry I haven't replied for so long.

Anyway to answer your question. you absolutely cannot build muscle and lose fat at the same time without heavy use of drugs (steroids). Even then it is difficult.

The reason for this is simple. In order for muscle to grow you must be consuming more calories per day than you burn up. This has the side effect of causing you to gain a little fat also.

On this flipside, in order to lose fat you have to eat less calories per day than you burn up. This has the side effect of causing muscle to be burned up also.

There is nothing you can do to change this, if you want to add some muscle you will have to accept that you will have to gain at least a little fat. All we can do is attempt to minimise this fat gain by eating "cleanly" (eating healthy foods).
 
GordyR said:
For some reason I haven't been recieving email notification replies for this thread... Sorry I haven't replied for so long.

Anyway to answer your question. you absolutely cannot build muscle and lose fat at the same time without heavy use of drugs (steroids). Even then it is difficult.

The reason for this is simple. In order for muscle to grow you must be consuming more calories per day than you burn up. This has the side effect of causing you to gain a little fat also.

On this flipside, in order to lose fat you have to eat less calories per day than you burn up. This has the side effect of causing muscle to be burned up also.

There is nothing you can do to change this, if you want to add some muscle you will have to accept that you will have to gain at least a little fat. All we can do is attempt to minimise this fat gain by eating "cleanly" (eating healthy foods).

Ah cheers mate, so you have to sort of go back and forth, what would you say would be a good length of time to switch from one to the other or is it something that you have to decide for youre self depending on how big you wana get?
 
Venom_22 said:
Ah cheers mate, so you have to sort of go back and forth, what would you say would be a good length of time to switch from one to the other or is it something that you have to decide for youre self depending on how big you wana get?

Thats correct mate, It really is down to the individual. Most people tend to bulk up throughout the autumn/winter and then begin to cut in the spring ready for summer. It's nice to be able to walk around the pool/beach with a nice lean body and six pack clearly visible. :)

But at the end of the day it is completely up to you and depends on your goals.
 
GordyR said:
Thats correct mate, It really is down to the individual. Most people tend to bulk up throughout the autumn/winter and then begin to cut in the spring ready for summer. It's nice to be able to walk around the pool/beach with a nice lean body and six pack clearly visible. :)

But at the end of the day it is completely up to you and depends on your goals.

Ah ok, cheers for that, sorry for all the questions, but i read this book called 'Body For Life' you probably know all about it, just wondered if u tried it or if you thought it was a load of rubbish?
 
nice guide gordy, seem you can do more then just sing ;):D

/me begins jealous rumble

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/me ends jealous rumble
 
Very good post Gordy, it's nice to see some good information regarding body building.

Do you have any before/after pictures of yourself or some body stats?

I bought a program that really focused on guys that were skinny and find it really hard to put on weight. My results was 1st 1lb (7kg) gained in muscle in the first 12 weeks.

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Stats:
Age: 20
Height: 6'1"

Before / After
Weight: 162 / 178
Lean body mass: 147 / 162
Percentage Body fat: 9.08 / 8.82

The diet was split up into a calorie intake of 30% protien / 40% carbs / 30% (good) fats.

The rep scheme was mainly: 8/6/4/2

The reason for that being that it covers a good range of weight and the added stress required to lift the weight in the 4-2 range puts the nervous system under more more stress than using lighter weights for many reps. This added stress causes the involvement and stimulation of more muscle fibres, which aid in rapid muscle growth.

Really noticing a difference to my body now, it's starting to look really good.
 
GordyR said:
Anyway to answer your question. you absolutely cannot build muscle and lose fat at the same time without heavy use of drugs (steroids). Even then it is difficult.

This is too strong a statement.

You can gain muscle and lose weight without drugs; it's not even that hard. What you can't[/] do is gain muscle fast and lose weight fast. Combining the two doesn't make anything quicker, it makes it all much slower. The only advantage of the approach is that it gives you an even lifestyle, rather than a cyclic build/rip one.

This assumes, of course, that you've not already overdeveloped your body (which is what body-building is). For your average sedintary computer geek, switching to a healthy diet and getting a solid level of exercise will produce slow weight loss and slow muscle gain, for your average weightlifter you need to put that much more effort in.
 
Yeah, that's me after 3 months, putting pretty much constantly on a 1lb-1.5lb on a week.

I could make a huge post about the program, but I've already done one on my clan forums. I got a bit of stick for it there and people who don't agree with my view - don't worry, I'm only a guy on the internet who you'll probably never meet - If it gets anyone starting working on themself, it has all been worthwhile. Improved my life a lot and want to share it with as many people as I can.

Without further ado here's what I wrote on my clan forums (Grim is my online alias):




If you're like most normal people you will spend a lot of time trying to improve yourself and achieving happiness in life. A lot of people fail in life and there is always a residing fear that, we too could also become a failure. Which two, in a thousand people will define success in the same words? Yet failure is always described in one way. Failure is a man's inability to reach his goals in life, whatever they may be.

In 1995, 13.2 million prescriptions were written for all types of antidepressants.

In 2002, that number had risen to 26 million.

So, Grim, what you telling me all this for?

There are many things you can do in life to improve yourself and become a success. One thing that is constant in all our lives is that our body is the greatest tool we will ever possess, and we should look after it.

Our body has millions of chemical reactions going off all the time; we are basically a big chemical reaction. As I’m sure most of us have been under the influence of alcohol at some point, you can relate to the changes that happen; becoming super confident, really aggressive or maybe just happy, either way it demonstrates what happens when chemical changes occur in our body.

Testosterone is a key to sexual desire, confidence, health and general mental well being. Many people, mainly skinny guys have lower testosterone levels which can affect you on many levels. After the age of 23, testosterone levels begin to slowly decline.
With more testosterone in your body you can’t help but be influenced by it’s positive effects. Depression, for many people, could be cured by taking up physical activities. We are not meant to be sat down all day and your body will reward you for exerting itself. Endorphins are released after intense physical activity, which provide a sense of well being and provide positive effects for up to 2 days afterwards.

So how do I increase testosterone? Get bigger!

Bigger? Any other reason to do it?

Ok, if you’re like me, not settled down and always after the girls - Let me point you to an article that was the final spark in starting on my journey.:


Smart, fun, and interesting. So why is it that all the beautiful women always seem out of your grasp?

Why!? You may even be athletic. You can do karate, can run super fast around the track, along with other things. So why does it seem you can get the average to cute girls but the very attractive women seem out of your reach?

What is holding you back is that you are skinny.

“But I like being skinny,” you say. “Look at all those fat people!” Indeed. “Those guys who go to the gym and all are just idiots.”

There was an article in the Atlantic Constitution that said how average women marry skinny guys over big guys. It also said… why am I parroting? Let the article speak for itself: http://www.ajc.com/health/content/shared-auto/healthnews/sex-/518456.html

"When women are choosing mates – except for very attractive women -- they're facing a trade-off of choosing a guy who's very sexy or one who will stick around and treat them well," he added.

It is self-evident that beautiful women end up with the masculine men, in other words, NOT skinny guys like you.

I know… I can hear what the objections you’re saying… because I used to make them. It seemed so ‘jock like’ and is ‘below you’.

I have gained over 50+ pounds of muscle mass. There is a saying that when skinny guys get big, when they look in the mirror, they still see the skinny guy. This is true, as my ‘skinny mind’ hasn’t yet caught up with my body.

Let me tell you of the change of reactions I got from the women:

For your reading pleasure,

Fat Girl = Means a big girl that requires an elephant gun.

Ugly Girl = In the same category as Fat Girl. These girls may not be fat, but it hurts to look at them.

Average Girl = They don’t hurt your eyes, but they aren’t amazing enough to attract your eyes. Average girls are the plain Janes.

Cute Girls = Often, they are innocent average girls whose innocence makes them cute. They are a bit picky about who they end up with as they are inexperienced.

Very Attractive = Great curves, long luscious hair, nice everything. These women know they are very attractive and sometimes narcissistically wear outfits to reflect it.

Very Beautiful = Bombshell. Every guy will notice this girl and stare and gawk. You know one of these women are around by seeing the satellites of boys trying to be ‘friends’ with them. Guys fear these magnificent creatures.

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I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

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Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women

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“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

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Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

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OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.
I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomaly.

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When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t… she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday…

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.

I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, “I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!” But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)

Rather than work hard to get one woman, why not work hard on yourself and get all the women? I don’t work hard to get women, I work hard on my dreams which gets the women automatically.

Like the article says on top, only the extremely beautiful women will risk being with a hunk like you. If you want a girl with a great body, you ought to work on your own body.

Coming from a skinny guy, being big is a totally different world. The worst thing is finding out how people really viewed the old you. People now openly insult my past skinny self and it hurts. It hurts because I never knew they had thought that way of me. Clothes no longer hang on my body properly, but I look terrific naked (I am saying this for the mental imagery of our lovely lady readers).

Big guys are allowed to get away with more things. I allowed to be cruder, to be bolder, to take advantage of women more (I’m serious!), and so on. You can also be stupid as well. My biggest problem is women only wanting me for sex (no, this is not a joke. Yes, it is a problem). You try to find a girl that fits your life and all she is interested in is your body! It is like getting rich and putting up with gold diggers.

So how do you go from being skinny guy to brawny guy? There is a lot of information on the Internet. Diesel’s Guide to Bulking Up threads in the Health Forum is a start. For myself, I used Anthony Ellis’s program. 30lbs in 3 months, no joke. Though, for most people beginning, it will be like 30lbs in 4-5 months. The big problem with fitness is that there are so many different opinions. Many of them are wrong and will waste your time (including trainers). What I loved about Ellis’s program was that it cut all the hype and came up with very in-depth information. It works.

However, the risk with body building is that it can turn into a highly narcissist womb. I often think the mirrors in the gyms are not so much to perfect the form, but to perfect the ego. The risk is that you will try to become perfect and we all know that perfect is boring.

Now for a note to the skinny guys who are successful with women. They will, no doubt, post replies to challenge the relevancy of this post. Know that the central… thrust… of the post is not a bettering of image. It is an increase of testosterone. If you are naturally skinny, and are at a higher muscle mass, your body will continually be at a high state of testosterone building and rebuilding muscle mass just to stay the same. High rates of testosterone affects not only your actions, I believe women can sniff it out. So take a guy, stuffed with testosterone, and push him into a room full of lovely young ladies. He doesn’t speak a word. He won’t have to. The women will go to him automatically.

Such is the power of testosterone. Such is the power of sexuality.


Ok, tell me a bit about the program now

One of the thing about the program that you need to remember is that everyone has their opinions on bodybuilding. I personally knew a guy who went to the gym for 5 years and he’s smaller than I was after 12 weeks, why? Because he didn’t have the right information, but would spend more on supplements each month than the whole “Gaining Mass” program that I bought costs.

The program includes:
-Gaining Mass Book – It’s a comprehensive guide to gaining weight and loosing fat.
-Gaining Mass Workbook – You record your workouts in the gym and it directs you what exercising you’ll be doing each week.
-Fat Loss Workbook – Records your workouts and fat loss progress, you take it to the gym also.
-Tape Measure – To keep track of your increasing muscle gains
-Body Fat Calliper – Measures your body fat. It’s very important to know how much of your body is muscle and how much is fat.
-Access to the members page of the website – This is a very important part of the program, probably worth half the price on it’s own, as you get access to forums, programs and other information that is extremely useful on your program.

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What to expect from the program

The program works on 3 main factors.

Gym
Sleep
Diet

Going to the gym is the place to stress your muscles. You’ll be in the gym for about an hour, 3 times a week, max. That’s it – you don’t need to do 3 hour gruelling routines 6 days a week to get big.

Sleep is just that. Get a good 8 hours. Easy huh?

Diet, the hardest part of the program. It calls you to eat 6 meals a day every 3 hours, with plenty of protein in each. You eat healthy foods and stay away from the sugars and processed crap.


Does the program work?

I wasn’t ever really super skinny, so I already had a good base. Many people have claimed to have put on 30lbs+ (14kg), but that’s reserved for the people who are really skinny to start off with and have a good strength already.

I put on 15lbs (7kg) in 12 weeks… Go on then, have a look at the pictures.

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But the program costs $120 including delivery! [£63, 93€]

Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than spending money on supplements and gym time getting nowhere, like my friend who spent those 5 years getting nowhere.

“But I can get that information for free on the internet” you say. With the amount of info out there you could probably get most of the information in saturated order and without a structured plan, but then again – there is a lot of info on the net that is counter productive to your skinny guy needs.

Anthony Ellis doesn’t pretend to know everything there is about body building, but what he does provide is an excellent base for anyone wanting to get into it.

I’m fat, not skinny – can I have my five minutes back after reading this thread?

Before I went and put on mass, I went on a fat loss period and dropped around 3% body fat to reach 9% body fat. It covers fat loss very comprehensively and is plan for anyone who wants to loose some serious weight, without loosing muscle.

Conclusion

It’s a great program, the only complaint I would have is that you need to watch out for the imperial measuring system, which is used in the book, when weighing your foods. You should convert your measurements to whatever you use.

It’s a legitimate program which works. Now there is no excuse for being scrawny or overweight. This program is best for nerdy guys who are out of shape and thin. "Lifting weights isn't for me." Rubbish. A doorway to a new world is open for you guys. All you have to do is step in it.”

If you decide to order the program (or even just to look around Anthony’s site a bit more) please use this link. It is exactly the same price, but some benefits will befall me.

Become that 'big guy' that the pretty women are reserved for, or achieve a better physique that your other half deserves. Push yourself to new boundaries and see what you're missing in life.


Biography:

http://www.manageyourage.com/Testosterone.htm
www.sosuave.net (Pook's posts)
"Gaining Mass! - Anthony Ellis"
 
hey dude, i emailed you (your email add in trust), askin for your msn, cz i would like some more info on this please :D
 
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