GPU prices go boom

Kelt · 22 Mar 2018 at 11:20

ver01@ said:
Prices for new cards are coming down and used ones are really dropping fast now. Last minute miners are panicking!

Dons Sith Hood..."Good, goooooood"

TeraVirus · 22 Mar 2018 at 20:54

ver01@ said:
Prices for new cards are coming down and used ones are really dropping fast now. Last minute miners are panicking!

Crazy how much changes in a month... give it another month and hopefully I can build an entirely new system when Ryzen 2 drops.

DELETED_195422 · 22 Mar 2018 at 21:27

In an ideal world AMD, Intel and Nvidia would all be competing at the high end. It would be great for the consumer. I do think AMD can gain market share through their mobile business, plus switching to the 7nm process can only help too. It'll take time, but it can be done.

Also, if stock wasn't an issue, AMD should've had a price structure like the following: 480/580 - £150 / Vega 56 - £300 / Vega 64 - £400. For me this what the price of these GPU's should be (same goes for the Nvidia equivalents) rather than the price what they launched at, even before the mining/memory situation the cards were already overpriced.

If AMD are serious about gaining market share within the Desktop market, they need to price their GPU's realistically, rather than compete with Nvidia by pricing their GPU's at the same level.

As Anandtech once stated: There are no bad GPU's, just bad prices.

Geck0 · 23 Mar 2018 at 10:01

Rock_n_Roll said:
In an ideal world AMD, Intel and Nvidia would all be competing at the high end. It would be great for the consumer. I do think AMD can gain market share through their mobile business, plus switching to the 7nm process can only help too. It'll take time, but it can be done.

Also, if stock wasn't an issue, AMD should've had a price structure like the following: 480/580 - £150 / Vega 56 - £300 / Vega 64 - £400. For me this what the price of these GPU's should be (same goes for the Nvidia equivalents) rather than the price what they launched at, even before the mining/memory situation the cards were already overpriced.

If AMD are serious about gaining market share within the Desktop market, they need to price their GPU's realistically, rather than compete with Nvidia by pricing their GPU's at the same level.

As Anandtech once stated: There are no bad GPU's, just bad prices.

HBM, it's more expensive, plus interposer assembly. AMD Vega was always going to be more expensive on a process basis.

Geck0 · 23 Mar 2018 at 10:03

Regards the light bulb argument, there was a bulb in a New York Fire Dept station that lasted 70+ years because it was a low volt bulb and was never turned off. CBF Googling it but feel free if you like.

MooMoo444 · 23 Mar 2018 at 13:50

...why are we talking about bulbs in a thread about GPU pricing?

fastboy · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:04

there are a lot of bulbs in this thread

x-st · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:12

MooMoo444 said:
...why are we talking about bulbs in a thread about GPU pricing?

Attempting to shed some light upon the situation.

StrongSad · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:28

x-st said:
Attempting to shed some light upon the situation.

because people have been incandescent with rage over pricing...

See that a fair few cards, well more like a flood of cards in the MM...

and Gibbo has some "mealy back to how it was" Prices on Nvidia...

james_2k · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:29

MooMoo444 said:
...why are we talking about bulbs in a thread about GPU pricing?

got to filament it with something.

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james_2k · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:50

when you absolutely positively need a bleh graphics card

chrcoluk · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:54

A card doing ETH mining is actually not been worked that hard, it can use less than half the power used when gaming, and can be run at around half the power limit depending on the binning of the card. So it does depend on what is been mined.

DazQ87 · 23 Mar 2018 at 15:54

chrcoluk said:
A card doing ETH mining is actually not been worked that hard, it can use less than half the power used when gaming, and can be run at around half the power limit depending on the binning of the card. So it does depend on what is been mined.

Pretty much this, a card that has been mining 24/7 will have not been subjected to multiple heating/cooling cycles, which is more detrimental to the PCB and components. Also as you point out most people will run their mining cards with lower voltages to keep power consumption down. I wouldn't be bothered about the actual GPU dying, but I would be worried about the fan.

I personally would buy an ex mining card if the price was right, but I don't mind the idea of replacing the cooler if it should fail.

ubersonic · 23 Mar 2018 at 16:45

WantoN said:
I really am not getting your point here.

I think the point was you used an analogy you didn't quite understand and ended up saying the opposite to what you wanted.

WantoN · 23 Mar 2018 at 16:54

ubersonic said:
I think the point was you used an analogy you didn't quite understand and ended up saying the opposite to what you wanted.

Not at all the case, if you’re that bothered re-read it.

ubersonic · 23 Mar 2018 at 17:11

WantoN said:
Not at all the case

Well it kind of is, you posted an analogy, he pointed out the flaw in it, you got upset.

WantoN · 23 Mar 2018 at 17:17

ubersonic said:
Well it kind of is, you posted an analogy, he pointed out the flaw in it, you got upset.

He ignored the point because it was valid, and pursued what he thought was a flaw because he didn’t have anything else to move forward with.

The point was regarding mean time to failure; nearly every mass produced product and component has an estimated mean time to, or between, failures.

I presented the bulb because I thought it would be simple enough to follow, evidently I should have used something even simpler.

Here’s a link that might be enlightening, shall we not derail any further now?

http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...-diodes/lifespan-lifetime-expectancy-mtbf.php

ubersonic · 23 Mar 2018 at 18:03

WantoN said:
He ignored the point because it was valid

No he didn't, perhaps you didn't read the thread properly?

You tried to analogise the MTBF of graphics cards by using an example of a light left on for 5 hours a day and one running 24 hours a day, he posted to point out the flaw in the analogy (that a filament bulb will actually last longer running 24/7 than running 5 hours a day), you then replied that you didn't understand the difference.

The funniest thing is that the filament bulb example is actually quite an apt analogy for the GPU situation, where a mining card left running in moderate use will physically stand up better than a gaming card running higher usage in shorter bursts.

andybird123 · 23 Mar 2018 at 18:25

WantoN said:
He ignored the point because it was valid, and pursued what he thought was a flaw because he didn’t have anything else to move forward with.

The point was regarding mean time to failure; nearly every mass produced product and component has an estimated mean time to, or between, failures.

I presented the bulb because I thought it would be simple enough to follow, evidently I should have used something even simpler.

Here’s a link that might be enlightening, shall we not derail any further now?

http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...-diodes/lifespan-lifetime-expectancy-mtbf.php

I think you need to read what you posted, it is quite apt - the biggest factors affecting LED and most electronics lifespan is temperature and being overdriven - e.g. gaming GPU being overclocked at 1100mv and run at 80C, vs mining GPU being run at 800mv and 60C