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GPU prices go boom

Ace Modder said:
You realise that Gibbo was the instagater of that discussion, right?

A R35 GT-R brand new used to be £55k in 2013, now they are £89k - what's the difference?

If you don't want to buy a GPU at what you consider excessive then just don't buy. But to lay blame at people who are willing to pay is not the fault of the person who is buying. It seems that most of the "gamers" who hate on the situation are the people who actually are just annoyed they missed out on being involved early on before the spike in initial outlay.

OcUK have GTX1080ti in stock at £679.99 which is there abouts the RRP, so nobody can come in and bitch and moan anyway, I just don't get it.
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Oh look, a miner trotting out the "You're all just jealous" line. How... novel.

You simply can't deny (with any credibility) that mining isn't responsible for the surges in demand, causing demand far and away exceed supply.

It never happened before mining*. We know that miners are placing orders of hundreds and even thousands of cards. Because Gibbo tells us they do, and that he is fulfilling those orders :p Lol, trying to deny these price hikes are the miner's doing is frankly absurd.

*This late in a release cycle. Yes, some cards had paper launches with limited availability. But we're two years + from launch here. Demand should normally be quite low by now.

e: Also mid-range GPUs are a commodity item. Unlike supercars. It's not just the 1080Tis that are inflated. As I said in my example of the 480/580, which quickly inflated by over £200 to a quite frankly ridiculous price (to non-miners).
 
Right, so you can't complain about massive price increases which push people out of the market and damage the gaming industry, because they're a luxury item? If someone can't enjoy something to the same level that they used to because of wildly inflated prices they're perfectly entitled to complain about it.

I don't think someone with 10x top end cards, exactly the person causing the problems for other people, can really tell people what to complain about. Not that I really blame miners directly, it's just a real shame it negatively affects other people, especially those who haven't got a lot of spare cash but were just managing to keep in the game before the price inflation.
 
FoxEye said:
Oh look, a miner trotting out the "You're all just jealous" line. How... novel.

You simply can't deny (with any credibility) that mining isn't responsible for the surges in demand, causing demand far and away exceed supply.

It never happened before mining*. We know that miners are placing orders of hundreds and even thousands of cards. Because Gibbo tells us they do, and that he is fulfilling those orders :p Lol, trying to deny these price hikes are the miner's doing is frankly absurd.

*This late in a release cycle. Yes, some cards had paper launches with limited availability. But we're two years + from launch here. Demand should normally be quite low by now.
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I have never said that mining demand didn't cause the pricing to go up, of course it was a big reason why.
But that miners are considered the "bad-guys" is just laughable. At the end of the day no gamer NEEDS a GTX1080ti to game on. A more mid range performing card can still game just as well even at 1440p. So what if Nvidia launches the new GTX 1180 at £999 MSRP, you cannot complain as that is the MSRP from day 1, right? The miners haven't bought a single GTX 1180 yet!

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Not that I really blame miners directly
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But this is the issue, there is so much hatred for miners in here, Foxeye is the perfect example of a hater. He quite clearly dislikes anybody who mines and makes it known. You cannot go around hating on a group of people because they are doing something which is not illegal, and not morally wrong.
I'm a gamer myself, I started mining after being a long term gamer, it is just a way to invest some money into something I understand and are willing to risk. Because maybe the side-effect is that a GPU costs a few quid more is neither here or there is it to me, I won't stop doing what I'm doing because it upsets a group of people. I, as a miner, have done nothing wrong but for some people to want to bring the pitchforks out to me is wrong and socially unacceptable.
 
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Ace Modder said:
I have never said that mining demand didn't cause the pricing to go up, of course it was a big reason why.
But that miners are considered the "bad-guys" is just laughable. At the end of the day no gamer NEEDS a GTX1080ti to game on. A more mid range performing card can still game just as well even at 1440p. So what if Nvidia launches the new GTX 1180 at £999 MSRP, you cannot complain as that is the MSRP from day 1, right? The miners haven't bought a single GTX 1180 yet!
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You're conveniently ignoring the fact that it wasn't just halo cards.

Let's say you had a Radeon 290. You bought it for £250 back in 2013 some time.

Up until the mega-hyper-inflation a 480 was <£200 and basically a side-grade.

Then along came mining, and your 480/580 was now £450+, meaning that as a 290 owner you had to pay something like £600+ to get any upgrade at all. A jump of how many pricing tiers?

Across all budgets, as a gamer what you got was a kick in the balls. Countless gamers said they were just going to give it all up, or try to wait it out. Only miners didn't care about the price and kept buying, so long as their ROI would happen within 6-8 months. Crazy.
 
I'm talking about GTX1080ti (halo cards) because that are the only cards I have bought myself, so using my own personal experiences in my posts.

Yes all GPU's have gone up, but somebody who has a 290 GPU can still game on this card perfectly fine.
You stated a 290 and a RX480 are basically the same in performance.
FoxEye said:
Up until the mega-hyper-inflation a 480 was <£200 and basically a side-grade.
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But a 290/RX480 is a perfectly good GPU still now for gaming on.
An RX480 has been tested in Farcry5 with ultra setttings, it scores a good 68 FPS average, this is 100% acceptable for gaming, so not "upgrading" beyond a 290/RX480 is not something that you HAVE to do, because your older card can game perfectly fine. You don't wanna pay the "inflated" pricing as you call it, then don't but why shout at people who are willing to pay it for whatever reason.

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Tell you what @FoxEye I will sell you one of my GTX 1080ti's for £649 RRP, you can even pick which one, as I have a few different models, that should remove the hatred you have for miners!

Cannot say fairer than that. You get a GPU at RRP which is ALL that you want and I get the satisfaction I made your day better.

e: my suggestion is you look at my Asus Strix 1080ti card because its only 3 months old and OcUK RMA manager has confirmed the warranty is fully valid and OcUK take care of it for the full warranty period.

e:e: I expect you won't take me up on the offer, because you have no intention of buying a new GPU, even at RRP. You are just jumping on the bandwagon of the moaners.
 
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Ace Modder said:
Tell you what @FoxEye I will sell you one of my GTX 1080ti's for £649 RRP, you can even pick which one, as I have a few different models, that should remove the hatred you have for miners!

Cannot say fairer than that. You get a GPU at RRP which is ALL that you want and I get the satisfaction I made your day better.

e: my suggestion is you look at my Asus Strix 1080ti card because its only 3 months old and OcUK RMA manager has confirmed the warranty is fully valid and OcUK take care of it for the full warranty period.

e:e: I expect you won't take me up on the offer, because you have no intention of buying a new GPU, even at RRP. You are just jumping on the bandwagon of the moaners.
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hahah that made me giggle
 
doubt he wants your sloppy seconds for the rrp of a new one.

Ace Modder said:
Tell you what @FoxEye I will sell you one of my GTX 1080ti's for £649 RRP, you can even pick which one, as I have a few different models, that should remove the hatred you have for miners!

Cannot say fairer than that. You get a GPU at RRP which is ALL that you want and I get the satisfaction I made your day better.

e: my suggestion is you look at my Asus Strix 1080ti card because its only 3 months old and OcUK RMA manager has confirmed the warranty is fully valid and OcUK take care of it for the full warranty period.

e:e: I expect you won't take me up on the offer, because you have no intention of buying a new GPU, even at RRP. You are just jumping on the bandwagon of the moaners.
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This is like when my baby nephew kicks up a fuss because his sister has a toy that he doesn't have. As soon as you give it to him, he loses interest after 5 mins and goes back to Legos.
 
To be honest, if you had a hobby, such as (pulling an example out of my ass) photography, where you normally bought a certain tier of camera/lens etc. then one day a new craze started whereby people were buying 50 cameras each for something completely unrelated to photography just to make money. thus forcing up prices and meaning you cant afford/justify/buy the level of camera you are used to. Then get told 'well you can still buy a lower end camera, get over it' think you would be a bit miffed too.

Fact is, you are clearly reaping the benefit of mining, but a lot of people have been negatively effected by it, maybe even the whole pc gaming industry. So i cant see how you can be surprised by the hostility some may show, especially when you start posting how much money you are making from it in the thread where people are upset about the prices to begin with. maybe some discretion is in order?
 
wow wow wow James, I only have a 5930K CPU in my main PC, you are clearly flauting the fact you have a 7900X CPU in your signature.
Please show some discretion.... but in all seriousness.

I actually have no jealous thoughts about what others have etc, and for the record I only mentioned my pityful amount of BTC because Gibbo directly asked me in this thread. So am I bragging it up? No, not at all, I have never posted what coins I have in here before now.
I have always refrained from talking about what I have - but my friend, Gibbo asked what I have amassed now, so I merely answered his question. Sorry if you feel I'm rubbing your nose in it, that wasn't my intention.

Don't hate the players!
 
Ace Modder said:
You don't wanna pay the "inflated" pricing as you call it, then don't but why shout at people who are willing to pay it for whatever reason.
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1. nV/AMD not having to release cards as often as they did before, because there is infinite demand for older cards.

2. Assuming mining does not disappear, it's not just this gen, is it. Next gen's mid-range cards won't be the £150-250 we're used to, they'll be £400-£500. The £200 cards of next gen will probably be worse than a 290 lol.

You won't admit it, but the price inflation is bad for gaming on so many levels.

There are two trajectories and neither of them good.

* Devs realise gamers can't/won't buy £500+ GPUs to upgrade their 290s, and stop pushing the limits. "290 is good enough" becomes a truism for the next decade...

* Devs keep pushing the limits, eventually pricing many out of the hobby altogether when their 290 can't cut it any more, and replacing it would cost (in a couple year's time) £750+
 
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heatonpkmassive said:
He might if it's slightly less than RRP, given that it's second hand and has been used for mining :D :p

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OK, £600 for him, I'm happy to do that as a one off, my Asus card is only 3 months old and actually has full warranty and has only been mined on with 65% max voltage going through it, so it's working I'm sure the 2 years and 8 months warranty is the mental safety net against the "but it's been mined on" argument.
 
Ace Modder said:
OK, £600 for him, I'm happy to do that as a one off, my Asus card is only 3 months old and actually has full warranty and has only been mined on with 65% max voltage going through it, so it's working I'm sure the 2 years and 8 months warranty is the mental safety net against the "but it's been mined on" argument.
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I thought the amount of emoticons I put in there would make it clear I was only joshing with that statement Ace! ;)

It's not for me to negotiate this potential deal, this is one for yourself and FoxEye :)
 
I know, he won't take me up on the offer if I said £350 either I think, so it's a moot point anyway.
I think he is just on the band wagon for the sake of it, as are a few others.
 
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