Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [4th - 6th November 2023]

The one thing the goal wasn't was offside. It's only a thing because VAR couldn't confirm that it wasn't offside but you can fairly clearly see from the replay that Gordon wasn't ahead of play therefore he can't be offside. I thought it was a fairly obvious foul but once the ref doesn't give it, it's anyone's guess as to whether VAR will overturn it. One day they will and say it was a foul and the next it won't be obvious enough to overturn.

As for the comments above about not being able to comment on decisions because Liverpool should have still won. That's obviously a lot of rubbish and also ironic given that the same posters were bringing up a correct decision that went against them 4 years ago when they blew their one chance of winning a CL. Yes, Liverpool could and should have won that game regardless of the penalty shout but football doesn't always work like that. Teams don't play perfect football every week and there will be times in games where they don't play well but get the 3 points due to something like a penalty decision (correctly) going their way.
 
I felt Liverpool should have had a handball there? We've seen handballs every week for the last few, where some poor defender gets one given against them where they clearly didn't mean to, but it's a handball because in this day and age they apparently are if your hands aren't behind your back and the ball hits your arm. But...at least the refs were consistent. Then this week the handball by the Luton player seems no different really. VAR check it and let it go. I mean.... what?
 
The wrestling was more of a penalty than the hand ball shout. Barkley was coming down from attempting to head it clear and VVD headed the ball on to him after missing it. He was behind him. The ball also didn’t travel a big enough distance. Seen plenty of them not given.
 
BaZ87 said:
Teams don't play perfect football every week and there will be times in games where they don't play well but get the 3 points due to something like a penalty decision (correctly) going their way.
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Teams don’t play perfect football every week and referees don’t get every decision correct. How can fans justify one but not accept the other? Managers, players and referees are all human beings.

There’s been some particularly bad decisions lately but there’s also been plenty anger around decisions that even pundits can’t agree on hours after the game.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Arsenal's statement is exactly what the PGMOL need to hear and what every other club should be supporting. The ref's suck, they're got progressively worse each season and all Webb appears to have done is protect them by threatening to fine anyone that speaks out against them.
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I appreciate that and agree, but the issue here is that Arsenal weren't robbed. Arteta has just had a meltdown and blamed VAR because he lost.

The Liverpool VAR incident was a serious error and a mistake, not the case here. The Bruno & Havertz red cards are more contentious than the goal.
 
jeffk said:
Teams don’t play perfect football every week and referees don’t get every decision correct. How can fans justify one but not accept the other? Managers, players and referees are all human beings.

There’s been some particularly bad decisions lately but there’s also been plenty anger around decisions that even pundits can’t agree on hours after the game.
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It's very simply, when the team or manager makes a mistake, they suffer. When a ref makes a mistake, they don't suffer, the team/manager suffers again..
 
VAR looking at all these things makes it 100 times worse, when the wrong decision is then arrived at. VAR was meant to help but when the refs on the VAR side can't also make the right decisions...what's the point? It does become embarrassing. The state of the game now is concerning as general rules aren't being followed week in week out. Since when has a player been allowed to deliberately elbow someone in the face and get away with it for example? Why is that Newcastle player not sent off?
 
The issue is that they won't allow the VAR to simply make the correct call. Although we still see inconsistencies when the VAR will just make the right decision, they're meant to only intervene when it's 'clearly and obviously' the wrong call by the ref. The problem with that is it's so subjective as to what is clearly and obviously wrong. We saw with the Mac Allister red vs Bournemouth and the Newcastle pen from the previous weekend, anybody looking at those 2 decisions could tell you that it wasn't a red for Mac Allister or a pen for Newcastle but the VAR is confusing himself with what is clearly wrong enough to justify an overturn and ended up telling himself "you can kind of understand why the ref has made that decision even though it's wrong" and not intervened.

Either scrap VAR for subjective calls or give the VAR complete freedom to make the correct decisions. Clear and obvious just confuses things and nobody can justify taking 3 minutes to look at something and then still make the wrong decision.
 
It's the sheer amount of subjectivity that's killing var for me, one week you'll have a decision and var will agree with the on field call and then the following week an identical situation not given and var will again agree with the onfield call. It needs to stop.
 
The issue with VAR is it's not about the correct decision. it's about the ref having full control. Even when that "full control" is a supposedly incorrect subjective decision.

Whenever there is a subjective decision someone must actually make the "decision", and that person is the ref, which everyone is NOT going to agree with.

The issue arises where the ref having a single view of an incident makes a decision, and explains it to the VAR.. the VAR then can't find a reason to overrule that decision..

The newcastle penalty is a clear example, the ref says he saw contact, the VAR takes a look and see's some contact, so his original decision is not "clearly and obviously" wrong.

But anyone looking at it can see it's never a penalty. (unless you're a newcastle fan, sry @Bigpig :) )
 
BaZ87 said:
The issue is that they won't allow the VAR to simply make the correct call. Although we still see inconsistencies when the VAR will just make the right decision, they're meant to only intervene when it's 'clearly and obviously' the wrong call by the ref. The problem with that is it's so subjective as to what is clearly and obviously wrong. We saw with the Mac Allister red vs Bournemouth and the Newcastle pen from the previous weekend, anybody looking at those 2 decisions could tell you that it wasn't a red for Mac Allister or a pen for Newcastle but the VAR is confusing himself with what is clearly wrong enough to justify an overturn and ended up telling himself "you can kind of understand why the ref has made that decision even though it's wrong" and not intervened.

Either scrap VAR for subjective calls or give the VAR complete freedom to make the correct decisions. Clear and obvious just confuses things and nobody can justify taking 3 minutes to look at something and then still make the wrong decision.
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C Kent said:
It's the sheer amount of subjectivity that's killing var for me, one week you'll have a decision and var will agree with the on field call and then the following week an identical situation not given and var will again agree with the onfield call. It needs to stop.
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not that I agree with mr Kent often but he’s bang on with the inconsistency, around 50% of referees will give Joelinton’s push yesterday as a foul and 50% won’t, but because he’s the forward it’s 50/50 what’s given, flip it the other way and 99.5% of referees will never give a foul for a penalty if it’s the defender making that challenge at a cross, corner or free kick.
 
If rival fans keep laughing at and ridiculing Arsenal’s statement, we’ll never get anywhere. The PGMOL will just snigger away and brush it off. If other clubs backed it and made their own statements, it then couldn’t be ignored.

Those laughing fans will be screaming blue murder themselves soon enough when it happens to them and then their attitude will be completely different
 
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robfosters said:
If rival fans keep laughing at and ridiculing Arsenal’s statement, we’ll never get anywhere. The PGMOL will just snigger away and brush it off. If other clubs backed it and made their own statements, it then couldn’t be ignored.

Those laughing fans will be screaming blue murder themselves soon enough when it happens to them and then their attitude will be completely different
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You mean like a fair chunk of arsenal fans did regarding the var incident for Liverpool and arteta himself brushing the incident under the carpet? Except now because arsenal have had a subjective decision go against them we should all rally around poor old arsenal? Nah
 
C Kent said:
You mean like a fair chunk of arsenal fans did regarding the var incident for Liverpool and arteta himself brushing the incident under the carpet? Except now because arsenal have had a subjective decision go against them we should all rally around poor old arsenal? Nah
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It’s not about rallying around Arsenal, it’s about rallying around all clubs to actually get something done about this or it will never end.
 
robfosters said:
It’s not about rallying around Arsenal, it’s about rallying around all clubs to actually get something done about this or it will never end.
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Should have done that a month ago instead of telling us to move on and forget about it as mistakes happen, followed by mocking. We told you this would keep happening and here we are with fans and clubs having hissy fits over subjective decisions.
 
C Kent said:
Should have done that a month ago instead of telling us to move on and forget about it as mistakes happen, followed by mocking. We told you this would keep happening and here we are with fans and clubs having hissy fits over subjective decisions.
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I don't believe I mocked liverpool on here over it at all. The only thing I said was that they shouldn’t get a replay as that would be unfair on spurs.

Forget about the Arsenal game, look how atrocious the pen decision was against wolves. 2 weeks in a row! Its so frustrating, club fans are so obsessed with getting at each other, that they completely miss the bigger picture.
 
robfosters said:
I don't believe I mocked liverpool on here over it at all. The only thing I said was that they shouldn’t get a replay as that would be unfair on spurs.

Forget about the Arsenal game, look how atrocious the pen decision was against wolves. 2 weeks in a row! Its so frustrating, club fans are so obsessed with getting at each other, that they completely miss the bigger picture.
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It was more directed at football fans in general rather than you persay.

If you want a giggle check out Anthony Taylor's penalty decision from the weekend
 
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