Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14th - 17th Jan 2012]

Basically why he ruined Puncheon's career back when he was with us. Has bag's of ability going forwards and most importantly listened when Adkins spent months training him to go back and tackle (all our forward players are expected to do it). Shame 15m is something you just can't say no too (especially when the players dad is a skate and a money grabber)

I can't say for certain myself if AOC used to be crap and got better at tracking back or not but, for me the way he just, you know some players while holding off another player just foul when they try and kick the ball and other players almost always get the little tap to push it away from the player..... I don't know what to call it, instinct, intuition, AOC just seems to have that.

Some players you just see are naturally good, read the game and play the ball excellently, AOC seems to have that and realistically for me players like that can play just about anywhere due to talent rather than training specifically.

IE Fabregas hasn't really played as a striker, yet he's gone to Barca played games almost as the DM, the AM, down both wings and started games as a striker and had no problem. Flamini(less gifted but still has that knack) can play almost anywhere.


Early view of Walcott was, pacey, barely uses his pace, woeful winger, idiot. I still feel that way except much more angry about his vastly inflated salary :p

Early view of AOC is, real talent, a real real talent, good on the ball, good off the ball, very very good all around game, good going forwards or backwards. Works hard, is strong, reads the game well and could potentially be brilliant in the future.

I'm so damn glad as well as when we signed him everyone was saying he was just like Walcott and I died a little inside thinking we were getting another one :p
 
Mertesacker, he always ends up on the floor...i honestly don't understand him.

Also, the number of times that Arsenal lost the ball was shocking. So many misplaced passes or sloppy play.
 
You'd think that someone who is 6'6 and has so many caps for one of the best and most consistent International teams in the world would at least be able to stay on his bloody feet. I don't understand how he manages to be crap in the air either, he's a human ladder, he shouldn't even need to jump for most things yet he usually makes a crap attempt at attacking the ball in the air, falls over, gets outmuscled by a 5'8 player... basically ANYTHING other than winning the ball, he's just dire. Now we've missed out on Cahill as well, not that I rate him as a future megastar, but he was at least a proven and experienced Premier League player, cheap as well and probably on a smaller wage than Mertesacker. If Wenger want a tall defender he should have put a bid in for Chris Samba.
 
Early view of Walcott was, pacey, barely uses his pace, woeful winger, idiot. I still feel that way except much more angry about his vastly inflated salary :p

Early view of AOC is, real talent, a real real talent, good on the ball, good off the ball, very very good all around game, good going forwards or backwards. Works hard, is strong, reads the game well and could potentially be brilliant in the future.

I'm so damn glad as well as when we signed him everyone was saying he was just like Walcott and I died a little inside thinking we were getting another one :p

Haha AOC is just talented as a footballer, along with fast and reasonably strong ;) gutted we don't have him any more but ambition and price were too high.

Walcott was fast and english (usually what most people want from kids) just surprised he hasn't learnt to be an amazing footballer...

The only things they have in common are being fast and ex-saints :p
 
Pretty much, I never saw anything in Walcott from day one, all I saw on youtube vids when we were interested was mostly running in behind, and most of those were the defence on the half way line, a ball over the top and 30-40 yards empty space to run into, in most of those the keepers came out and made it pretty easy.

I said realistically after seeing him a few times he might make a striker like Hernandez plays now, but an actually footballer...... no. He still to this day has no ability to take the ball from the half way line to the corner flag and put in a good cross, one time in ever 20 isn't "good". Even then he rarely ever tries if there is a left back there, he gets the ball, passes straight back and runs into the box hoping someone gives him the ball. He puts in no effort chasing anything from lost cause to he has a really good chance if he runs max speed. He uses his max pace barely ever, he's just crap and lazy and how you can play a guy on the wing who is scared to death of trying to go around a left back I don't know.

No one should ever compare Walcott to AOC, seriously as I said before when he was talked about first I'd only heard he was like Walcott, it took, maybe 2 games to spot he was completely different.
 
Nice pics. :) What gear did you use?

Canon 7D
70-200mm f4 lens (too cheap to get the f2.8)

I haven't edited them, except the b/w Henry shot posted earlier, which is why some still need colour balancing and tweaking, but they're only going on Facebook etc. I tend to take anywhere from 30-80 pics at each game, and edit 4 or 5 for my photography album and the rest get dumped on my profile page.

I'll post up the next home game (Chelsea), if people don't mind the spam.
 
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You'd think that someone who is 6'6 and has so many caps for one of the best and most consistent International teams in the world would at least be able to stay on his bloody feet. I don't understand how he manages to be crap in the air either, he's a human ladder, he shouldn't even need to jump for most things yet he usually makes a crap attempt at attacking the ball in the air, falls over, gets outmuscled by a 5'8 player... basically ANYTHING other than winning the ball, he's just dire. Now we've missed out on Cahill as well, not that I rate him as a future megastar, but he was at least a proven and experienced Premier League player, cheap as well and probably on a smaller wage than Mertesacker. If Wenger want a tall defender he should have put a bid in for Chris Samba.

Not exclusively but in general the biggest players simply don't jump well, and they don't run well, meaning a smaller guy who jumps higher and ends up the same overall distance from the ground as a taller guy who jumps far less high....... also has more momentum, ability to get around the taller guy, ability to get to the ball first and win more headers.

ALl of the best headers I can think of, Cahill, Ronaldo, Ramos, these guys win headers with disturbing frequency yet none of them are normally taller than CB's, not far off but. None of the 6'5-6'7 types seem good in the air. Crouch wins quite a few headers........ but I've never seen ANY player of any height climb on players as much as him. Without climbing all over the defender he wins next to nothing and barely gets off the ground, when pushing off a defenders shoulders he's much better.

PRobably without(much) exaggeration 9 out of 10 of his "jumps" should be given as fouls.

Kevin Davies is probably about the biggest still slightly mobile striker(if you can call him that) player around, and again the vast majority of times he fouls because he's not as good at jumping as he is at bumping his opponent out of the way, usually not legally.
 
I agree with your point DM, I can see what you're saying that a normal height player probably managed to get more spring in his legs, more momentum or whatever you'd want to call it, but I still feel that someone as vastly experienced as Mertesacker should be challenging in the air much better than he does. It's only his first season here, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what his performances are like once he's more used to the league, but it isn't looking like a particularly amazing transfer thus far. We'd have been better buying a player such a Samba, Cahill, even someone like Jagielka would have been a better acquisition.

I wonder who we'll get in on loan if Wenger decides to bring in a left back for the season...

I'll post up the next home game (Chelsea), if people don't mind the spam.

Fantastic pics, spam away. :)
 
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I agree with your point DM, I can see what you're saying that a normal height player probably managed to get more spring in his legs, more momentum or whatever you'd want to call it, but I still feel that someone as vastly experienced as Mertesacker should be challenging in the air much better than he does. It's only his first season here, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what his performances are like once he's more used to the league, but it isn't looking like a particularly amazing transfer thus far. We'd have been better buying a player such a Samba, Cahill, even someone like Jagielka would have been a better acquisition.

I wonder who we'll get in on loan if Wenger decides to bring in a left back for the season...



Fantastic pics, spam away. :)

Bridge :(

I have zero faith in his scouts, or his judging of players ability anymore.

Gervinho, Walcott, Santos, Mertesacker, Song, Chamakh, Sagna, Squillaci, Djourou, Senderos(someone I said we should never have lost).

How many players on low wages who we shouldn't have lost has Wenger let go who have gone on to be better than people we currently have in the prem league or other leagues. Larson looked great at Arsenal and out on loan, he's undoubtedly better than our wingers, and that is on pure talent, he's small and not very fast, its all skill and intelligence. Senderos is a completely solid defender, he was only not solid when played for half a game 3 months apart, in proper rotation he could have saved us injuries to other players and been part of a solid defence.

I can't remember now but he was part of our champs league record breaking defence wasn't he. It's been a while, it was largely Senderos, Cygan, Flamini and..... Lauren?


AS for Mertesacker, his problem is he's on the wrong line of tall and really strong and tall and really lanky, closer to Crouch then to Samba. You need a god damned rock in there, not a lanky girl.

Worst thing is, Samba would likely have done more for us, proven in the league, likely have cost less AND been on lower wages.......... but we went last second for a "gimmicky" player rather than a quality player.

I don't think he'll improve either, he might get to learn certain attackers and play against them better, but the fundamental things, doesn't matter what league you play in, if you like running in and winning every header, you will, if that isn't part of your game, you don't. he doesn't, and he's not young so won't be changing that dramatically.

We've seen him fall a lot, shoulder to shoulder against big guys in the box he goes down, not wins headers....... next year every team will put a strong player up against him rather than a tall one, and let them bully him off the ball without really any fear he'll win headers. it free's up a taller player to mark Verm/Kos.

he was a panic buy, and well, when you pick up a Cesc at 16 and get one of the best players in the world....... that isn't surprising, when a not particularly successful ARsenal pick up a KNOWN older international that EVERY top team has scouted before, and he's still available........ alarm bells should be ringing. Same goes for Santos, if he was great, he wouldn't be where he was.
 
Canon 7D
70-200mm f4 lens (too cheap to get the f2.8)

I haven't edited them, except the b/w Henry shot posted earlier, which is why some still need colour balancing and tweaking, but they're only going on Facebook etc. I tend to take anywhere from 30-80 pics at each game, and edit 4 or 5 for my photography album and the rest get dumped on my profile page.

I'll post up the next home game (Chelsea), if people don't mind the spam.

How did you get that camera and lens in without being stopped?

Clubs are VERY VERY strict about people taking professionalish photos at games.
 
Bridge :(

I have zero faith in his scouts, or his judging of players ability anymore.

what are you thoughts on frimpong? watched him against spurs for wolves and he is a bit wild with the challenges but the papers were praising him today (well, the two i read) but i didn't think he was anything of great note other than reckless tbh maybe i should've kept a better eye on him...
 
The performance was bloody terrible. shocking and embarassing.

Wenger was clueless today. we only started playing a bit better when we converted to 442 with henry and rvp upfront and chamabalin playing.

Wenger is not playing the best possible side and tactics. Chamablin should be starting every game now. he is better the Ashavin and benayon. deserves his chance.

Arsenal are a shade of the team that could outpass every team in the League. Its shambolic. Song, ramsey, djurough etc etc cant pass. they lose the ball far too easily and can never play this passing game anymore.

Wenger either needs to dismantal this whole squad and buy players that can pass the ball or change philosophy/tactics and stop playing the passing game because this squad cant do it anymore.

the final nail is when nasri went for the money and fabregas went to join and play with his best mates.

Two players that could pass the balll with a blindfold.

i dont think we will get top 4. And Wenger is 70% at fault. this is pathetic and a dark time to be a arsenal fan with spurs piping us to top 4 and us not playing CL football next year.

absolutely gutted
 
Canon 7D
70-200mm f4 lens (too cheap to get the f2.8)

I haven't edited them, except the b/w Henry shot posted earlier, which is why some still need colour balancing and tweaking, but they're only going on Facebook etc. I tend to take anywhere from 30-80 pics at each game, and edit 4 or 5 for my photography album and the rest get dumped on my profile page.

I'll post up the next home game (Chelsea), if people don't mind the spam.

I get the feeling they won't be too happy if I bring in my camera with a big lens for a game. I might take my G12 along to a game but I'll probably forget to use it. :D

It's always nice to see a picture or two so spam away. :)
 
How did you get that camera and lens in without being stopped?

Clubs are VERY VERY strict about people taking professionalish photos at games.
Never had a problem. They do occassionally search me, but usually just a "what's that?" *poke around camera bag*..."camera"..."ok"
are u a proffesional tog?
I do it part-time, weddings etc, but what I'd call semi-professional.
I get the feeling they won't be too happy if I bring in my camera with a big lens for a game. I might take my G12 along to a game but I'll probably forget to use it. :D

It's always nice to see a picture or two so spam away. :)
I sit in the front row, so I sort of blend in :D
 
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