Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14th - 17th September 2012]
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Number_25 got banned recently and another poster questioned that decision within minutes so there could be 4 accounts linked to the same person
Edit: I've always been suspicious of Azza as well!
I always thought the ratio of Everton fans to other clubs on here seemed a bit off. I'd ban dannyjo too just to be safe.
Great managers don't always succeed at every club, a lot of very talented managers have faith in Rodgers and Swansea was a success, he is also older now than he was then considering he is already a very young manager.
I do agree though, a great manager will change the style to suit the opposition, unless your team is good enough that you don't need to (Pep@Barca.), but we saw Rafa do it many a time, we will see if Rodgers can do it he is still very young in his managerial career.
Also I'm pretty sure Rafa got sacked in the 90's before joining Valencia, so I'm not sure you can make a judgement on him based soloely on his time with you.
Also the striker thing no one knows who to blame outside Rodgers/Owners, I'm sure he let him go with knowledge that Dempsey was guaranteed, seems someone ****ed up along the way.
I do agree though, a great manager will change the style to suit the opposition, unless your team is good enough that you don't need to (Pep@Barca.), but we saw Rafa do it many a time, we will see if Rodgers can do it he is still very young in his managerial career.
Also I'm pretty sure Rafa got sacked in the 90's before joining Valencia, so I'm not sure you can make a judgement on him based soloely on his time with you.
Also the striker thing no one knows who to blame outside Rodgers/Owners, I'm sure he let him go with knowledge that Dempsey was guaranteed, seems someone ****ed up along the way.
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It was Ayre was it not? He got a grilling apparently the next day from Rodgers and FSG demanded that they're meeting was made into a conference call with them as well. Ayre messed it up.
I don't know, I like to blame Ayre because I detest the **** but realistically I have no clue and I've stopped caring and tried only watching the football and distanced myself from RAWK transfers.
There were some reports blaming Ayre immediately after deadline day but when the dust settled it seemed like (or at least reports suggested that) he wasn't to blame.
It's very difficult to know who or what exactly was the blame. I could have told you 18 months ago that we wouldn't pay a significant amount for Dempsey, which I'm sure Rodgers knew too but equally I'm sure Rodgers was extremely confident that a replacement would come in if Carroll was let go.
My best guess is that Rodgers believed, or was led to believe by others at the club, that we had Fulham over a barrel and that they'd be forced into selling Dempsey to us on the cheap.
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Pretty much. They already played that style of game. He walked into the job with most of the work done.
This is true, and we were delighted when we got him. We did play good football under him but he totally failed to bring the squad together. Case proven by the fact that we replaced with with McDermott who instantly started winning. The turnaround was nothing short of incredible. I believe that he has serious man management issues. He just loves himself too much and does not respect the players enough. Time will tell.
Regardless of that fact, Rodgers is the manager. It is his job alone to manage the squad. He has left himself short up front to what can only be described as incompetence. These things should never happen if you are a good manager.
Hypothetically, if a manager has agreed to let a player go on the proviso that a replacement is brought in, he can't really be help responsible for being left short.
There's so many reasons why he shouldn't have done that and didn't. Owen's washed up and a weasel. Not only is it far more beneficial to the club in the long-term (and possibly even the short-term) to blood a youngster but I'd rather play with 10 men than Owen.
He'll get a splinter sitting on Stokes bench soon and be out for 3 months anyway.
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Me, Myself and I wouldn't have been welcome back.
Downing wishes Owen returned. Maybe you'd go easier on him, had he.
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But then surely you would wait until the new player had signed before letting the other go? It is quite possible that he was duped or misled, but ultimately the responsibility of the squad is his. Dempsey left Fulham in the end anyway, so he was leaving Fulham. Why did Rodgers not have more to do with signing him?
It just sounds to me that he requested him, then let others try and sort it out, which failed. No man management.
I understand why he'd be the last player Liverpool would want, but he's still a proven PL striker. The professional thing to do would have been getting him signed just in case.
Last choice is better than no choice.
It's not Rodgers's job to handle negotiations and one thing is very clear at Liverpool right now - we won't spend big on players approaching 30.
It's only hypothetical because I don't know exactly what's gone on but if Rodgers was told that we would be signing Dempsey (or another striker) but Carroll had to be off the wage bill first, he can't be held responsible for the failure of others to tie the Dempsey deal up.
It looks like you're searching for reasons to criticise Rodgers.
Is Owen still classed as a proven striker, he obviously once was, not sure he is now. They ah as we'll have gone for Kevin Phllips or Emile Heskey if they wanted once proven strikers
He's a proven PL striker who's not very good now, the professional thing to do would have been to let some other mugs sign him & try to get someone far better in, which Liverpool tried by all accounts.
Owen has joined Stoke, no offence to them but if he had anything genuine to offer don't you think someone like QPR who've a few quid would've bagged him?
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He's damaged goods and would've taken up valuable space on the medical table.
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Well I am not. My original post was about his history being not as great as some may see it. I want him to do well, I really do. He did a lot for our club, but he is not the great manager as some may believe.
That is all. Time will tell.
