Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14th - 17th September 2012]

I was referring mainly to the Carroll/striker situation than your view on Rodgers as a whole.

I have to say that I've been very impressed with him since he's taken over. Obviously I hoped we'd have picked up a few more points so far but a tricky first few fixtures mixed with a total change of style and the failure to address our goalscoring needs in the transfer market (who knows who was to blame for that) hasn't made things easy. I'm hopefully that slowly but surely things will get better over the coming weeks though.
 
I've always quite liked Martinez but his comments did not impress me today. Sure, Welbeck dived ( :mad: ) but the penalty was missed. If anything, that should have lifted his team so to use it as an excuse seems a bit cheap. Also, his memory of fouls seemed to not stretch back to a knee high rake attempt on Nani in the first half, which although it luckily missed, was a shocking tackle. Or the stamp attempt which also missed.
As for the football, the main positive was a better intensity and speed in the second half. With a less than amazing CM and a defence which changes weekly, I feel a more attacking and committed approach is needed. In recent years we have taken to trying to take the sting out of games and ride out narrow wins but I don't think thats practical any more.
 
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I was referring mainly to the Carroll/striker situation than your view on Rodgers as a whole.

I have to say that I've been very impressed with him since he's taken over. Obviously I hoped we'd have picked up a few more points so far but a tricky first few fixtures mixed with a total change of style and the failure to address our goalscoring needs in the transfer market (who knows who was to blame for that) hasn't made things easy. I'm hopefully that slowly but surely things will get better over the coming weeks though.

That seems a bit, well this is what I said about Hodgson just not being the guy fans wanted. Rodgers has started significantly worse than Hodgson yet you guys are making excuses willingly for Rodgers while you stuck the knife in on Hodgson straight away. Total change of style? That is whats known as complete and utter media BS. Liverpool played more long balls than all but one team before this round of games.... Hodgson got accused of ancient style while Rodgers is a forwards thinking style.... according to the media, but I've seen little to no sign of that on the pitch.

Gerrard is still trying to play direct football, Suarez wasn't there under Hodgson, but is playing identically today as the day he joined Liverpool.

A fundamental goal for the team is one thing, how an individual plays really isn't. 90% of the players are playing as they did before. Sterling is direct, but so was Bellamy who he replaced, Bellamy was better though. The only player passing it more than anyone else is Joe Allen, and a great passing rate it is, and utterly worthless. There is passing for the sake of passing, and there is passing with an intent to win a game, the later is difficult, and something Allen hasn't even tried, the former is achievable by my gran, and Joe Allen does.

Even Shearer managed to highlight the pointlessness of Allen , Gerrard gets a ball, looks forwards and makes the pass, or drives forward. Joe Allen is doing what Song or Denilson would do, get the ball, look up, have 10 passes on, choose the 3yard sideways pass for someone else to pass it forward. Outside of ALlen there isn't a new philosophy, just mostly the same team playing mostly the same way... but worse defensively and worse upfront.

They could have gotten Dempsey first day of the transfer window for 10mil he'd have had a full preseason, been used to the team and had an actual goal scorer in the team and yes the manager bears a huge amount of responsibility for that. If it was Ayre's job then Rodgers should have been in there day one of the transfer window saying this is one you need to get done before all others, just sort it, losing the player over a couple million is beyond stupid.

Of course Liverpool will get wins, why wouldn't they, but ultimately up till Jan who will score the goals to win games. With Skrtel/Agger making monumental mistakes between them in basically every game so far, Reina looking pretty awful only add's to the need to score goals. Sunderland scored with basically their first attack/shot on goal leaving Liverpool desperate for one goal which they finally got which only got them a point rather than 3.

If their defence was top notch, best in the league and in form, scoring one goal would still only win them half the games in a season as the best defence concede's goals. Liverpool have been pretty crap defensively, and they can't even score 1 every game.... that doesn't bode well.

For me Suarez is one of the problems, he's a ball hog, passes when he wants rather than when he should, wants to create a chance for himself and only passes when his own chance to score has gone... which is rarely the best time to make a chance for someone else.

I said a year ago that he looks great on the ball but is selfish and can't hit a barn door, with the racism thing hanging over him, he was worth 25-30mil in a transfer a year ago to strength the team overall. Buy a winger for creating and a striker for scoring, rather than a guy inbetween that does neither.

Looking good and being effective, Suarez is one, you desperately need the other.
 
You do realise what the punishment is for having dupe accounts don't you?

You have to sleep with Andy? :(

I always thought the ratio of Everton fans to other clubs on here seemed a bit off. I'd ban dannyjo too just to be safe.

:p

I didn't mind Number 25 but then I don't read all of the posts on here. I suppose they could keep banning Everton fans until we have the same number on here as Liverpool have points on the board :p
 
First half was good but Arsenal came out pretty poorly in the first 15-20mins of the secondhalf. Sir Chesney looked a bit off yesterday, not only the fumble for Saints goal but his distrubution was also very poor, he played it straight to an opposing player about 3 times. At the back, Vermaelen and Mertesacker were pretty convincing for the most part.

Some good interplay between Carzorla, Podolski and Gibbs at times. This is the sort of game Gibbs revels in where he doesn't have to defend much and can play in the opposition half (when I first saw him in the Emirates cup a few years ago, we was playing left mid and looked more comformtable there, but Wenger has converted a midfielder into a fullback as usual). The lack of movement at times was disappointing; we are missing the runs that RvP and Arshavin used to provide. Throwins were concerning as well, everyone just stood around static offering nothing to Jenks resulting in several turnovers.

Subs were actually quite effective, Ramsey looked the sharpest he's been for a while (great skill in the leadup to Gervinho's second), Walcott took his goal very well and Giroud was winning balls played up to him as a target man.

The selection of Coquelin was an interesting one; he didn't stand out for me but had a fairly steady game until replaced by the more dynamic Ramsey. I'm still curious to see who Wenger would select in the unlikely event that everyone should be fit (i.e. Wilshere, Diaby, Frimpong and Rosicky all available). You'd imagine it would (should) be Arteta, Wilshere and Carzorla with the first two sharing defensive responsibilities but after so long out it is difficult to know how well and where Wilshere is going to fit back.
 
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I like Rodgers, we are playing a lot better than last season and we look like we have tactics this time around. Last season, while we played well enough, we never looked like we had a solid game plan - if that makes sense? I have the utmost faith in Rodgers (No biased being an Antrim man myself :D) and giving time I believe he will take us to where we want to be again.

Just need a striker who can score and I think we would have maximum points right now, should have gone for Huntelaar IMHO.
 
He talks a good game, but he has never ever been able to prove it. He is a billy big ****** and cannot keep his mouth shut and when he talks, he talks ****. Players do not respect him and he does not bond with them at all.

glad someone else feels like this as i was starting to think it was just me.

rodgers has proved **** all. hodgson has proved a lot. yet hodgson was nothing but hated on because liverpool fans felt he was 'beneath' the club yet rodgers is treated with nothing but respect. i'm not saying managers shouldn't be treated with respect as a human being but he has proved **** all and seems to think he should receive the kind of respect of a much more proven manager.

i've also just seen channel 5 advertising a show about liverpool fc on friday at 9pm. good grief.
 
Anyone that questions why Liverpool supporters hated Hodgson so much is brain dead. It's well documented the things he came out with attacking former managers, former players, current players, the board and the fans. The fans were not responsible for that, Hodgson was and he started putting nails in his coffin from the very first pre season game.
 
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Anyone that questions why Liverpool supporters hated Hodgson so much need is brain dead. It's well documented the things he came out with attacking former managers, former players, current players, the board and the fans. The fans were not responsible for that, Hodgson was and he started putting nails in his coffin from the very first pre season game.

Speak for yourself. I didn't like him because he looked like an Owl.
 
Anyone that questions why Liverpool supporters hated Hodgson so much is brain dead. It's well documented the things he came out with attacking former managers, former players, current players, the board and the fans. The fans were not responsible for that, Hodgson was and he started putting nails in his coffin from the very first pre season game.

so would you rather a manager who succeeded the most or one you personally like better? hodgson had better starts then dalglish and rodgers, did he not?
 
So, what is AVB going to do about the goalkeeper situation? Would you drop Friedel and play Lloris, or stick with Friedel?

If he's going to use Lloris, he needs to do it soon as he won't be happy on the bench (he's already been complaining). If not, why buy him to start with? :confused:
 
He can't drop Friedel right now - he'll be crucified if he does and Lloris makes a mistake. The second Friedel is remotely responsible for a goal, he'll be out of the side though.
so would you rather a manager who succeeded the most or one you personally like better? hodgson had better starts then dalglish and rodgers, did he not?

I'm not going to judge a manager (and I didn't Hodgson) on 4 games - certainly not simply on results in isolation. And Hodgson didn't have a better start than Dalglish :confused:
 
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so would you rather a manager who succeeded the most or one you personally like better? hodgson had better starts then dalglish and rodgers, did he not?
Both and we were top of the league at this point last season :p

If Hodgson had conducted himself better from the start his results would've been far more tolerated but he came to Liverpool with a massive god complex and found it easier to blame others than except any blame at all.

Rodgers has not once criticised anyone involved with the club to my knowledge. The worst he's said so far has been 'we need to learn from our mistakes' and that was to do with out summer transfer fiasco that could cost us a huge amount of points between now and Christmas.

If he starts turning on the club, players or fans he'll soon lose the support he's gained so far.
 
So, what is AVB going to do about the goalkeeper situation? Would you drop Friedel and play Lloris, or stick with Friedel?

If he's going to use Lloris, he needs to do it soon as he won't be happy on the bench (he's already been complaining). If not, why buy him to start with? :confused:

it's a very strange, almost pointless situation. we now have 4 keepers, all of who have played at high level on our books and a youth keeper.

imo, we have bought lloris one season too early. friedel is still a decent keeper and has atleast one more season in him, he's a machine, played like, what? over 300 games in a row?

i read somewhere that lloris may start today. we need to win today, we really do.

i hope we start dembele and maybe even dempsey but i don't know who we will drop for him, maybe lennon or sig? i want to see us move it with pace and beat reading. it wont be easy but we are the better team and it's quite frankly not good enough if we don't get a win today.
 
He can't drop Friedel right now - he'll be crucified if he does and Lloris makes a mistake. The second Friedel is remotely responsible for a goal, he'll be out of the side though.

Friedel is rock solid though and hardly ever to blame for a goal, so Lloris could be waiting a long time...
 
Friedel is rock solid though and hardly ever to blame for a goal, so Lloris could be waiting a long time...

Not sure I agree with that. He might not make obvious mistakes but he has his limitations and concedes goals that another keeper might not.

The free-kick he conceded against QPR at the back end of last season is one that sticks out in my mind because imo, it was a sign of him showing his age. It was a fairly unspectacular free-kick from quite some distance but Friedel simply couldn't get across to keep it out. It didn't really get picked up on by the press as a mistake but I suspect most top flight keepers would have expected to save it fairly comfortably.
 
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