Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [17th - 22nd December 2011]

Tunney said:
We've got replacements (Pienaar, Rose) but 'Arry seems reluctant to play them. I don't want to see us play Modric on the left of midfield again. He's totally wasted there.

The problem for Spurs is:

Matches in which King has played at least 45 minutes: P9 W9 D0 L0
Matches in which King hasn't: P6 W2 D1 L3

This is going to be so problematic over the Christmas period.
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That's so ridiculously oversimplified that its a joke.

of those 6 games, you played, City, Utd(both san's adebayor), Newcastle who at the time people thought was a fluke but were realising that they (without injuries) have a genuinely top 6 side. How good would Djourou's record appear, or really any Arsenal player appear if they just happened to not play City, Utd, Newcastle, Liverpool?

There is something fundamentally wrong with a player who can't be relied on, lets say he actually was the best CB the world ever knew, what does it do to the team when he misses almost every big game through injury. They come up to a big game thinking "we can win", then he gets injured, misses the game and the whole team is thinking "how can we win now :( " . The side will be better prepared, more solid and less worried of those games if they had a reliable CB they were used to playing every game with.

That would be IF he was the best in the world, he isn't, he has plenty of bad games, not least the Arsenal game where RVP and Fabregas made him look foolish. He's had plenty of good games, at this stage, and frankly 4-5 years ago it was clear as day he'd never become a 35 league games a year player, not even close, and for a CB they should have been working on a replacement for a long time now.

Had he missed 4 games against bottom half opposition and played the 4 against top teams then his stats would likely paint the exact opposite picture to the way they do now. A true top 6 team, statistically only the games against the rest of the top 6 really say anything, the teams below that are so poor in comparison its not even worth comparing.
 
Pienaar?! I dont want him near a spurs shirt.

Id Play 4-3-3

Walker
Kaboul
King
Bae

Sandro
Modric
Parker

Defoe
Ade
VDV

With Walker and BAE offering the width. kranjcar is a great player but he is a CM and always played out of position for us, Rose Could be a Left mid but is rather un tested.
 
is kaboul not suspended?

as much as i like tottenham's attacking play, i wouldn't be opposed to harry going for a draw against chelsea. we need to keep mata quiet, sandro can have a good go at doing this. i would like to see VDV , defoe and adebayor start but this obviously leaves us suscepible to attack and VDV is awful at tracking back, defoe and adebayor are pretty good (for forwards) at doing this.

i would even go as far as to say that i wouldn't mind corluka at rb and walker rw. corluka is painfully slow but his positioning and reading of the game is far superior to walkers, walker uses his pace to get himself out of a lot of situations.

be interesting to see how much modric is up for this.
 
drunkenmaster said:
There is something fundamentally wrong with a player who can't be relied on
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*ahem* Robin van Persie *ahem* ;)

If you're not a top side financially then you need to fill your team with misfits. Either you take the safe route, buy mediocre players and finish mid-table every season or you can take a gamble on problem players and hope to achieve success. Redknapp is a gambler and it's paid off.

he has plenty of bad games, not least the Arsenal game where RVP and Fabregas made him look foolish.
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So many bad games that you can only think of one game... that happened so long ago ago that you can't remember the score, the date or the venue? Ferdinand, Terry, Cahill or any other English CB has had many more bad games than King recently.
 
Hope the Canaries can get 3 points at Wolves tonight. I know it's early but we play arsenal, man city, liverpool and spurs in 4 of our last 6 games of the season. They wont be easy!
 
Tunney said:
*ahem* Robin van Persie *ahem* ;)

If you're not a top side financially then you need to fill your team with misfits. Either you take the safe route, buy mediocre players and finish mid-table every season or you can take a gamble on problem players and hope to achieve success. Redknapp is a gambler and it's paid off.



So many bad games that you can only think of one game... that happened so long ago ago that you can't remember the score, the date or the venue? Ferdinand, Terry, Cahill or any other English CB has had many more bad games than King recently.
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Sorry, did I include "so long ago I can't remember the score" in it, because I don't remember that.

Since 2006/7 season, King has played 109 games, RVP has played 223 in the same time, and he's had "real" injuries in that time( of which almost all of them were caused by bad tackles not simply playing), not just the inability to play every single game. That is the fundamental problem, in his BEST season ever RVP "could" play every single game, in his best ever season now King would barely play 1/3rd of the games, you can't avoid injuries that come out of no where, you CAN avoid a player you know will never, ever play a lot of games.

As for not being a big money club, Spurs spend plenty, less than the top 4, more than most of the rest and growing, they got Pienaar on supposedly around 60k a week, that would have EASILY secured Cahill, or Samba, etc, etc. Pienaar was never going to be first team, was a ridiculous signing and using money as an excuse for a club relying on a guy who won't play more than 1/3rd of the games in a season, in a good season, is ridiculous.

THen we'll get onto the fact that, it was the last in the last season King played against us, because he managed all of 10 appearances last year.

In his last "real" season of a whole 19 league starts, he played in 6 losses against Liverpool Utd, Arsenal, Burnley,and only managed clean sheets against West Ham, Sunderland, Bolton and Villa......... amazing.

So with King they lost around 1/3 of their games, and most of the top games. Last year he managed a draw with City and a loss to Wigan, while playing no other top teams, and this year, he's played no top teams.

So for 3 years his record in the top games is pretty much awful, and when he misses all the games against top teams, his record looks better....... shocking, again, what player wouldn't look better if he missed all the top games?
 
No1newts said:
Blackburn v Bolton on TV... I am so excited.... woo :rolleyes:
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To be fair, after first thinking it might be woeful, you've got a relegation fight, you've got more goals in Blackburn than up to Arsenal in 5th(except Norwich), Bolton are almost the same, both defences are shambolic(so even more chance for goals) and you've got a ridiculously high chance of a manager being fired before the night is over, hell, one of them might not come out after half time if the game is over by then :p

It actually has potential to be a classic............. or an utter stinking pile of crap :p
 
Great game against City, probably the best game I've seen in the league so far, City played some amazing football in short spells but we looked quite solid and defended well considering our injuries, also looked a threat ourselves quite often. If only Walcott and Gervinho could have had better games I think we'd have got a draw, maybe better. Their biggest problem imo was the lack of good full back play alongside them, usually Santos is a great option and works really well with Gervinho, you can't expect the same from Vermaelen though, same with Djourou on the other side. It's a shame but our weaknesses were punished, we should have added cover in the summer, especially at LB. Overall a very enjoyable game, 1 - 0 was probably right on reflection, but at 90 minutes after seeing the debateable RvP goal and the handball (which on first showing I was convinced was a pen in my drunken state!) I was quite gutted not to get a point

Also, I agree with the praise of Arteta, he has flaws such as not being able to turn that quickly and he's generally quite slow, but he has added so much balance to our midfield, and his know how of where to be is invaluable in our usually young midfield. Very intelligent central midfielder, if not as good on the ball as Fabregas/Wilshere
 
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I think Blackburn might stick a few past Bolton tonight... and then crumble and lose something silly like 6-5. :D
 
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