Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19 - 23rd April 2013]

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BaZ87 said:
Where did I say assaulting somebody was ok? The size of the punishment you receive should reflect the severity of the crime you commit.

What Suarez done was stupid and wrong however most of the outrage seems to be down to simply how unusual it was rather than the severity of what he actually done. What Suarez done was no more violent than had he punched, kicked, elbowed or headbutted Ivanovic yet his punishment is more than 3 times as big.

And before you dribble on about 'repeat offenses' - Suarez's first ban in Holland was more than what you'd get for punching somebody for a start and secondly, if a player is sent off for violent conduct this season and again the following season, he'd still only receive a 3 match ban.
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Firstly the Holland bite was NOT his first problem in Holland, he had a suspended ban on his book before that bite to start things off.

Secondly, his ban was NOT 3 times as big, if someone punched a player and got a ban on three separate occasions than that persons ban would be just as big as Suarez's, likely bigger, look at Barton, he did things more severe than a bite, and got a longer ban.

You can't compare a 15th offence for Suarez, to the first offence of someone else.

Again Thatcher was told without question that if he did it again he'd get a 15 game ban, 8 games for a first dangerous assault with an elbow(Worse than what Suarez got) and he was told he would get a 15 game ban if he did it a second time. This would be FAR worse than what Suarez got, for a second offence, categorically showing that firstly, an elbow was deemed a more severe act of violence, and that if he did it again he'd have gotten a worse ban than Suarez has for repeat offences.

He's cheated teams out of points, scored hand ball goals, assaulted people, injured people(intentionally), racially abused a player, bitten other players... but even though any other player IN THE WORLD, IN ANY OTHER SPORT would be treated more harshly for repeat offences than someone doing the same act but the only offence ever, Suarez should be treated, randomly as if it was the only thing he'd ever done wrong? Please explain why the bite should be treated in complete isolation to his previous wrong doings, when no other player in the world would receive such treatment?
 
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Tom84 said:
Like I've said repeatedly dodgy tackles are part of the game, being bitten isn't.

Yes Aguero should have been handed retrospective punishment (although even then it was only ever going to be 3 games) but the two aren't even remotely comparable
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Had you been talking about McManaman's tackle on the Newcastle player, you'd have a point but that wasn't a tackle by Aguero. He wasn't going for the ball, he was going for Luiz. Aguero's 'tackle' was violent conduct and is just as much a part of the game as any other form of violent conduct.

@DM - Barton's ban was bigger because he received more than 1 red card (and the subsequent offenses after he was sent off) that season. By the FA's only reasoning, Barton should have actually served longer than he did (3 games per incident + an additional game for every red after).

If Gerrard for example punched somebody this weekend, he'd receive a 3 match ban. If he done the same thing on the first day of next season, he'd still only receive a 3 match ban.
 
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Tom84 said:
Yeah Suarez was a saint prior to Sunday wasn't he :o

Like it or not he's bitten someone before, he's got an International ban looming for punching someone, he was lucking to get away with kicking Parker last season and this season he was lucky to get away with stamping on someone; whether the FA are allowed to or not all these things tot up and sooner or later he's got what he deserves
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Has he been banned for violent conduct before in the PL?

As far as I'm aware he hasn't done any of those things in a Liverpool shirt. The kick on Parker last season, lmao, 'dodgy attempt to get the ball during the game hurdur'
 
BaZ87 said:
Had you been talking about McManaman's tackle on the Newcastle player, you'd have a point but that wasn't a tackle by Aguero. He wasn't going for the ball, he was going for Luiz. Aguero's 'tackle' was violent conduct and is just as much a part of the game as any other form of violent conduct.
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He was going for Luiz because Luiz is a dirty little **** of a player who lead with his elbow when challenging Aguero.

I'm not condoning what Aguero did and should definitely have had retrospective punishment however there was a reason he did it, rightly or wrongly.
 
schumi84 said:
He was going for Luiz because Luiz is a dirty little **** of a player who lead with his elbow when challenging Aguero.

I'm not condoning what Aguero did and should definitely have had retrospective punishment however there was a reason he did it, rightly or wrongly.
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Like most defenders and attacks seem to do these days going for headers.
 
Purdy said:
As far as I'm aware he hasn't done any of those things in a Liverpool shirt. The kick on Parker last season, lmao, 'dodgy attempt to get the ball during the game hurdur'
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You see this is where your opinion is completely 100% hypocritical hyperbole;

Suarez no where near the ball with no chance of winning the ball kicks someone in the chest = 'lmao a dodgy attempt to win the ball'

Nani on the other hand accidentally catches someone whilst trying to control a ball coming over his shoulder (which he would have done had it not been for the opponent running at him in the opposite direction) = straight and deserved red card

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10 games is fitting in my opinion, though the issue here is consistency. Had Suarez committed either of the Aguero or Mcmanaman 'challenges' you can bet your house he'd have been retrospectively banned, and rightly so, he deserves the reputation he has, but how those two have escaped punishment I'll never know. The FA are such backwards *****.
 
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Even Luiz quite rightly said he forgives and understands, every player has an instant reaction now and then, red mist, humans are emotional, we react in the moment, we can't prevent that always, thats life. Luiz understands that and said very specifically it was an insane attack, but a complete one off and he's seen no hint of that kind of player from Aguero ever before.

When you attack people without the red mist, by pure choice, because you're a psychotic ****, its not comparable, doing things repeatedly, after bans, never learning, never improving.. its just nuts. The question isn't particularly what the situation was, bite, stamping on someones neck, its that a player randomly, with no provocation will attack other players on the pitch. The ban is to teach him NOT to do this again because other players shouldn't have to be on the receiving end. The real question is not what he did this time, but what WILL he do next time if he still won't learn his lesson and continues exactly as he is.

There are two options, increasing ban till he gets it, or ban him from football completely to protect other players.

There is no hint Aguero will purposefully attack another player, and he's gone how many years with one incident, Suarez can't go one game without an incident, he's a danger to other players. We've seen him VERY clearly purposefully stamp on people's ankles to injure them, he's a menace to the game and no player should have to put up with him.

Aguero should have got a ban, but it would be for a first offence, likely the last one, and there is no indication he'll do it again.

Currently, today, EVERYONE knows Suarez WILL do something again, the FA's job is to find a way to make him not do it again because their job is the protection of other players.
 
Tom84 said:
You see this is where your opinion is completely 100% hypocritical hyperbole;

Suarez no where near the ball with no chance of winning the ball kicks someone in the chest = 'lmao a dodgy attempt to win the ball'

Nani on the other hand accidentally catches someone whilst trying to control a ball coming over his shoulder (which he would have done had it not been for the opponent running at him in the opposite direction) = straight and deserved red card

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Where the **** Nani come into the coversation from?

The ball was dropping from the air above Suarez as he looked at it and attempted to kick it and in turn kicked Parker?

If we are talking about Nani he has gone studs showing in to someones ribs, Suarez has hit someone with the laces of his boot in the stomach and not lunging full speed in to them.
 
Utterly ridiculous ban length, as its Suarez I thought they would go for 8 but 10 is just silly. If thats worthy of a 10 game ban then the Aguero 2 footed stamp is 20, Fellani's head but on Shawcross is 30 and Rooney’s off the ball elbow is a seasons worth.

It’s the FA though, and well hypocrisy at its finest rules within its corridors.
 
Newbie007 said:
Utterly ridiculous ban length, as its Suarez I thought they would go for 8 but 10 is just silly. If thats worthy of a 10 game ban then the Aguero 2 footed stamp is 20, Fellani's head but on Shawcross is 30 and Rooney’s off the ball elbow is a seasons worth.

It’s the FA though, and well hypocrisy at its finest rules within its corridors.
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I disagree with those silly numbers lol but Fellaini didn't just headbutt, he punched and elbowed in the same game.
 
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Keep defending the un-defendable though Purdy, I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent reason for all of those :o
 
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