Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19 - 23rd January 2013]

Supposedly he's conceded it was a pen.

Disagree about the red though. Ramires cuts the ball back straight towards an Arsenal defender; there's enough doubt as to whether he's going to get on the end of it for the ref not to send the keeper off.

Looking at this one he seems to be the only one getting near it -

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I know there's another defender out of frame but it didn't look like he was going to get it ahead of Rami if he'd stayed up.
 
Looking at this one he seems to be the only one getting near it -

I know there's another defender out of frame but it didn't look like he was going to get it ahead of Rami if he'd stayed up.

Even going by that gif, is Ramires in a position to get a shot straight off before the defender out of shot can close him down? Looks to me as if he needs to take a touch before he can shoot, giving the ref a bit of doubt.
 
Let's be honest, if that penalty decision had been denied to Spurs we'd still be hearing about it 8 years from now (when was the Carroll incident again?). :D

Can I just say, our squad is appalling. We have to put up with Carrick when Barcelona have Xavi and Iniesta. We have Valencia not Messi or Ronaldo. Our players are ****, why don't we just sign everybody that I think is good on FM?

Clever.

I'd rather have high ambitions for my team than simply mediocre squad members.

Got to love Blind Faith though. Valencia has been ace this season, Nani has the potential to be world class (he's only 26 now) and **** me, Carrick is The Golden God of Football.
 
I'm willing to give Ramires the benefit of the doubt. I don't really get why any player would deliberately go down in that situation, seeing as he would most likely have got to it and would still have had an open goal. I'm not sure he does what Neville and Redknapp said and takes a deliberate dive, I think he just loses his footing. I don't think it was a penalty, just Ramires losing his footing.
 
Clever.

I'd rather have high ambitions for my team than simply mediocre squad members.

Got to love Blind Faith though. Valencia has been ace this season, Nani has the potential to be world class (he's only 26 now) and **** me, Carrick is The Golden God of Football.

Did you miss my point above complaining about Valencia?

I'm perfectly realistic about our team, that doesn't mean being 100% positive. Conversely, it doesn't mean being 100% negative. Don't mask your ridiculous hyper-criticism as having "high ambitions", that's a load of rubbish. No one wants United to do as well as I do but at the same time I have seen enough seasons and enough squads to know how things work. You can't have world class players in every position and every now and then you have to rely on someone to "do a job". As I said during the game, you come across as a spoilt child.
 
Not read through the thread but it certainly felt like a kick in the **** when Dempsey scored, defensively I thought we were great and deserved to see it through because of that but if there's one positive to not winning it's that in recent seasons every year we've won at Spurs we haven't won the league whereas when we've gone there and got a point we've always went on to lift the trophy in May so hopefully that little coincidence continues (of course the flip side of that is every year we've lost at Everton we've then never won the title......)
 
Foy was terrible today. Missed plenty of incidents for both teams - including an off-the-ball foul that could have earned Evra a second yellow.

exactly and the united fans saying the rooney incident was a penalty but failing to mention rafael wrestling caulker in the penalty area too?

lennon was immense today, outshone bale who wondered inside way too much. i don't know what AVB has been doing but it's working.

i did question the subs and BAE didn't look ready, most of his distribution was pap and huddlestone isn't a game changer. our persistence paid off and we deserved atleast a draw.

conceding just one goal with a very young back 4 (inc keeper, dawson isn't young) was a good effort.

we need a striker with composure so we can put chances away. both defoe and dempsey failed when they should've scored.
 
i can kind of understand it but we had nothing to lose and thought we may chuck a striker on ..... then i remembered we don't have another striker :/ in all seriousness, i thought sig would've gotten a run out.

somethings definitely clicking into place. with a creative player and a decent striker, we should easily be top 4.

our bench is pretty poor tbh.
 
Not read through the thread but it certainly felt like a kick in the **** when Dempsey scored, defensively I thought we were great and deserved to see it through because of that but if there's one positive to not winning it's that in recent seasons every year we've won at Spurs we haven't won the league whereas when we've gone there and got a point we've always went on to lift the trophy in May so hopefully that little coincidence continues (of course the flip side of that is every year we've lost at Everton we've then never won the title......)

Much like the Liverpool game I thought our back four were fantastic, cleared everything that came their way and made a number of great blocks/tackles. The midfield/tactics did them no favours by constantly inviting pressure, I've no idea why we sat back so much after looking so comfortable early in the game. That will always lead to a goal eventually.
 
Much like the Liverpool game I thought our back four were fantastic, cleared everything that came their way and made a number of great blocks/tackles. The midfield/tactics did them no favours by constantly inviting pressure, I've no idea why we sat back so much after looking so comfortable early in the game. That will always lead to a goal eventually.

Very encouraging to see Vidic can still have a massive influence over our defensive performances and really does show just how much we've missed him

I'll also give some credit to Kagawa, I was yelling at the screen after about 9 minutes because as per he was being knocked off the ball far too easily and generally wasn't putting himself about enough but after that I thought he had a good game, probably his best in a United shirt
 
Did you miss my point above complaining about Valencia?

I'm perfectly realistic about our team, that doesn't mean being 100% positive. Conversely, it doesn't mean being 100% negative. Don't mask your ridiculous hyper-criticism as having "high ambitions", that's a load of rubbish. No one wants United to do as well as I do but at the same time I have seen enough seasons and enough squads to know how things work. You can't have world class players in every position and every now and then you have to rely on someone to "do a job". As I said during the game, you come across as a spoilt child.

That's the problem, we only have 3 world class players at best, 4 if you count Hernandez (purely on his poaching ability).

The rest of the squad is 'potential' or average. And even the potential is pretty vague.

3 outfield players who are possibly world class against 7 mediocre. That isn't balance. Our centre backs are the wrong side of success and injury stricken (the backups are always injured) our midfield is reliant on Carrick, who is a solid possession player, can't do fudge all else really.

I'm a spoilt child for realising this squad is a shambles of 'homegrown potential' and players past it.

There's just not enough star talent in there. The balance is horrendous, I understand the 'doing a job' player. That was O'Shea and the likes of Butt. But there wasn't an overwhelming balance in favour of average around these players, they were backed up with 5-7 world class talents, not 3 at best.
 
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