Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19th - 23rd January 2018]

drunkenmaster said:
What an amazingly dumb way to put that.
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I'm just looking at the whole package as Combat put it ;)

The end result is likely to be Sanchez & Ozil out and those two in for £60m odd. Whichever way you want to spin that, it's not a sweet deal for Arsenal. At best you're getting comparable quality players and going to end massively out of pocket.

You could argue that it's making the best out of a bad situation (although Auba and Mikhi are hardly players you want when things get difficult) but it's definitely not a sweet deal for Arsenal.
 
drunkenmaster said:
What an amazingly dumb way to put that.

We're swapping Sanchez for Mikhi it sounds like, then paying £60mil for Auba separately and he's a striker fully worthy of being paid £60mil for.

Ozil is entirely separate, he could sign a new deal having brought in Auba... or more likely because no one else is making a concrete offer at all for him. At least 3 just english clubs were interested in Sanchez yet not one offer for Ozil.

sanchez on <6 months who can go for nothing and instead we'll get Mikhi out of it on a longer term deal, not the choice I'd make but going from a top player with 6 months left and no future value to a guy on a 4+ year contract is a very good deal financially speaking. Auba for 60mil is also a good deal, and so far the offer made is actually afaik 50mil euros and personally I want Ozil to leave. Ozil like Walcott doesn't suit a particular role, wants a huge wage that his performances don't deserve and has an attitude/motivation issue imo. I'd keep him on 150k a week but it sounds like he's demanding 250-350k a week range and I simply think he's very bad value at that kind of price.

I'd be happy if we could sell him this window even if we managed to knock 20-30mil off Auba's price with a swap + cash deal.
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Hallelujah! :p

My thoughts exactly, although I dont mind Ozil staying at Arsenal and looks like he's signing a new deal with us anyway. So that's all good.
 
BaZ87 said:
I'm just looking at the whole package as Combat put it ;)

The end result is likely to be Sanchez & Ozil out and those two in for £60m odd. Whichever way you want to spin that, it's not a sweet deal for Arsenal. At best you're getting comparable quality players and going to end massively out of pocket.

You could argue that it's making the best out of a bad situation (although Auba and Mikhi are hardly players you want when things get difficult) but it's definitely not a sweet deal for Arsenal.
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Except that still isn't the deal, Ozil and Sanchez have 6 months left on their contracts, so have zero value in 6 months, if we get rid of two players who have zero value 6 months from now and gain 2 players who are worth probably between them ~120mil in the current market on 4 year contracts then that is good financial business.

You seem to be entirely ignoring that contract length between the two sets of players will be vastly vastly different.

Also for me Auba is better than either Sanchez or Ozil and Mikhi, yet to be seen. I think Mourinho's style certainly doesn't get the best out of him and he could certainly do better in a different system but I'm not convinced he'll be great.

But you specifically stated that deal, not the overall transfer window or anything else. As above even if you meant all business in the transfer window you'd be wrong, 2 players with well 3.5+ year contracts vs 2 players with 0.5 year contracts is good business. But again the two actual deals you're talking about is 60mil for Auba, great player, good deal, and pretty much a straight swap between Sanchez, a player with 6 months left and who desperately wants to leave and a player who will be on a 3.5+ year contract who wants to play more also a good deal.

Losing Ozil is separate, it will be very very bad business to lose him on a free, it would be great business to sign him to a new deal at anything less than lets say 175k a week, it will be a meh deal to resign him between 175-250k a week and a terrible deal if we gave up upwards of 250k a week.

If we can sell him for 30mil or more this window that would also be decent business. None of this would be as good as getting 60-70mil for Sanchez in the summer and maybe 40-50mil for Ozil, but that doesn't make these bad deals.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Except that still isn't the deal, Ozil and Sanchez have 6 months left on their contracts, so have zero value in 6 months, if we get rid of two players who have zero value 6 months from now and gain 2 players who are worth probably between them ~120mil in the current market on 4 year contracts then that is good financial business....
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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm looking at the football side of things. If Ozil leaves in the summer and you replaced him with a £2m player that you sign for £500k, that's good financial business too - **** football decision mind.

And how do you come up with the £120m current market value for Auba and Mikhi? One is being swapped for a £30m rated player and one is likely to cost you £60m. That would therefore be their market value.
 
Poor McCarthy, he's had terrible injury problems and this is a career threatening injury.

Nothing Rondon could do, he was just taking a shot at goal when McCarthy nipped infront of him
 
BaZ87 said:
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm looking at the football side of things. If Ozil leaves in the summer and you replaced him with a £2m player that you sign for £500k, that's good financial business too - **** football decision mind.

And how do you come up with the £120m current market value for Auba and Mikhi? One is being swapped for a £30m rated player and one is likely to cost you £60m. That would therefore be their market value.
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Utd can't support Mikhi in the squad, they need to make room to get Sanchez as well as the fact that Mourinho wants to get rid of him, he's not going for true market value really, or in effect they are over paying for Sanchez on only 6 months less. If anything it's smart by Arsenal, instead of getting 30mil cash they demand a player who could probably get 40-50mil in the current market. The initial talk was Utd wanting 10mil cash on top but again Arsenal can simply say no, if Utd don't agree then Utd end up off the table and he goes to City or even Chelsea.

Assuming the swap makes him only worth 30mil is naive at best. On top of all that, Auba also wants out and has been a bit of a ****, but ultimately he can get 150-250k a week range at any other top club in europe, Dortmund have a very small budget compared to Arsenal or other top teams. He's angling for a bigger contract but at Arsenal he'll get. he wants out and Dortmund are a selling club who can't break their wage structure, again that decreases his value to them but if we sold him a year later, it wouldn't.

We've leveraging bad situations for Dortmund and Utd, Dortmund's inability to compete financially and Mourinho(utds) desperation to get Sanchez over letting him go to a rival so they are massively overpaying for him.

Then of course lastly, values going up over time and transfer getting silly. Personally I think Mikhi will improve a fair way at Arsenal being played consistently compared to being misused and not consistently used at Utd which will increase his value.
 
This is really not a good performance, Burnley look dangerous every time they come forward. The defence are having a shocker.
 
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