Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [2 - 3rd February 2013]

BaZ87 said:
See what? I'm talking about you. You had a full blown argument on here when somebody criticised De Gea for jumping out of the way vs Southampton but then come in here and claim Reina's made a howler.

I've recognised that Reina was at fault for our goal today.
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Firstly no you haven't recognised Reina was at fault at all, you've done your usual refusal of laying blame at anything/anyone related to Liverpool. You first called it a freak finish, the worst you've said is it was misjudgement which you also said he does a lot but gets away with it. Recognising he was at fault would be saying he was at fault without all the other BS.

As for De Gea I think you'll find I said straight after I saw the Southampton goal that both De Gea and Carrick should have done better and as such there are arguments to defend both players.

Since De Gea has been in the PL every single goal he concedes is scrutinised, in that time Reina has made far more obvious errors like the one today (like Norwich's goal at Anfield last season, like Aguero's goal in today's fixture last season) and not a word gets said. What Reina did today is a worse error than what De Gea did for either of Spurs or Southampton's goals against us.
 
Its interesting, very little is our defence blamed for goals, people just go '**** sake 1-1' or whatever, Reinaunder so much scrutiny when the ddefence has awful attention span at best.

Can't wait till Lucas back to form, half the moves we concede from would never develop.

Carra has done well to be fair, still burnt for pace a fair bit
 
Tom84 said:
Firstly no you haven't recognised Reina was at fault at all, you've done your usual refusal of laying blame at anything/anyone related to Liverpool. You first called it a freak finish, the worst you've said is it was misjudgement which you also said he does a lot but gets away with it. Recognising he was at fault would be saying he was at fault without all the other BS.
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The irony of you saying that is incredible. I've never known somebody that gets as upset as you do whenever somebody dares to say something remotely critical of Utd.

It was a freak finish and this is something Reina does do a lot and it's not that he gets away with it, it's something he does intentionally. The difference today (other than the freaking finish), which I've said already if you could read, was that he didn't need to rush out as Aguero was already being forced wide. It was a misjudgment on his part that lead to the opportunity for Aguero to score. He was at fault but it wasn't a howler.

You bitch and moan at people that exaggerate any mistake De Gea makes but then cry when people don't do the same to other keepers.

Tom84 said:
As for De Gea I think you'll find I said straight after I saw the Southampton goal that both De Gea and Carrick should have done better and as such there are arguments to defend both players.
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Why defend either? Why not state what De Gea done wrong and what Carrick done wrong? Very rarely is a goal down to one person, it's often a number of people's fault to varying degrees. Just because somebody else was equally at fault, it doesn't excuse the mistake the other player makes.

I know it's not something new but doesn't the above contradict this?
Tom84 said:
Recognising he was at fault would be saying he was at fault without all the other BS.
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Obviously when it's Utd you're allowed the other bs?
Tom84 said:
Since De Gea has been in the PL every single goal he concedes is scrutinised, in that time Reina has made far more obvious errors like the one today (like Norwich's goal at Anfield last season, like Aguero's goal in today's fixture last season) and not a word gets said. What Reina did today is a worse error than what De Gea did for either of Spurs or Southampton's goals against us.
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I disagree that what Reina done today was worse than what De Gea done vs Southampton or other mistakes he's made that's beside the point. As above, you're the first to jump to the defense of De Gea at any exaggerated comments aimed at him (although I think your defense of him at times is equally exaggerated) but are so desperate to throw the same comments at other keepers.
 
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why are people obsessed with DeGea hes a good keeper i'm very happy with him so far he has had some amazing saves that very rarely get mentioned but a few mistakes and hes worse keeper in the world people need to stfu imo
 
For right or wrong Reina isnt chasing the title, so he will automatically get criticized less in public

At the start of the season (maybe even since 2013) Liverpool fans would have even conceeded 4th was too much to even hope for, but that is now a realistic challange for the team /club.

Even BR would have happily accepted a point towards that this morning given where they were heading and its probably the hardest game they have left this season.
 
dmcg said:
why are people obsessed with DeGea hes a good keeper i'm very happy with him so far he has had some amazing saves that very rarely get mentioned but a few mistakes and hes worse keeper in the world people need to stfu imo
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Biggest fan base, competing for highest honours, no surprise, fans are fickle and pick their scaoegoats ignoring other problems
 
Purdy said:
Biggest fan base, competing for highest honours, no surprise, fans are fickle and pick their scaoegoats ignoring other problems
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There was a lad who played in defence for Man.U. v Chelsea in the C1C and had a bit of mare that day, might've been Wooton or something.
His performance that day was far worse than any I've seen De Gea put in (although I don't think he's that good a 'keeper technically) yet there's little talk about it.
I think that's down to the fact that De Gea hasn't really lived up to his hype & price tag or justified the backing he's had from old sozzled chops whereas Wooton was just another player so it's not just who they play for it's what's expected from them.
 
DanH84 said:
Good result today. Still all to play but City can't afford too many slip ups now.
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Totally agree

It was interesting though that Mancini was quoted just before the weekend as wanting 5 points or less gap before the Manchester derby in April, and yet after today's game he wants 3 or less - just found that amusing

Im sure Yaya's return in a week or so will give City a mental lift (even though imo he hasnt been as dominating in games this season as he was last)

JohnnyG said:
There was a lad who played in defence for Man.U. v Chelsea in the C1C and had a bit of mare that day, might've been Wooton or something.
His performance that day was far worse than any I've seen De Gea put in (although I don't think he's that good a 'keeper technically) yet there's little talk about it.
I think that's down to the fact that De Gea hasn't really lived up to his hype & price tag or justified the backing he's had from old sozzled chops whereas Wooton was just another player so it's not just who they play for it's what's expected from them.
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Yes you are right it was Wooton

Their experience levels are VASTLY different (as well as their ages, both young yes but De Gea has been playing 1st team football for years in two different leagues - Wooten has had two or three starts)
Its also a significant factor about the added time in that match - if Utd had won, everyone would have forgotten about his inexperienced mistakes - I think it was Nani (certainly someone with much more experience either way) made the worst mistake by not seeing out time with possession while Utd were winning with seconds to go.
 
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BaZ87 said:
You bitch and moan at people that exaggerate any mistake De Gea makes but then cry when people don't do the same to other keepers.
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You damn right I do and that's the whole point, the bias against De Gea is ridiculous when there are keepers who make far more errors (like Reina) and not a word gets said. I couldn't give a toss if De Gea gets ripped to pieces in the media as long as he's treated the same as every other keeper in the league, the fact of the matter is though he isn't.
 
Tom84 said:
You damn right I do and that's the whole point, the bias against De Gea is ridiculous when there are keepers who make far more errors (like Reina) and not a word gets said. I couldn't give a toss if De Gea gets ripped to pieces in the media as long as he's treated the same as every other keeper in the league, the fact of the matter is though he isn't.
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And I thought it was meant to be Liverpool supporters that are the victims. Why not rise above the hysteria? De Gea's 'mistakes' will be scrutinised, in the same way the press hammer Torres and Carroll as they are/were high profile signings and it's not going to change.

And I wouldn't say Reina's made more mistakes than De Gea either but I'm as bias as you are so we're not going to agree on that.
 
Nice to see Stevie cant do it anymore Gerrard lashing at a few shots as after that groin injury he seemed to cut them out big time

Beautiful man
 
I've just had a look at ours, Arsenal's, Everton's and Spurs' remaining games or more precisely, the remaining games against sides 7th and above.

Liverpool - Spurs, Chelsea and Everton all at home.
Arsenal - Spurs away, Everton and Utd at home.
Everton - Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea away and City at home.
Spurs - Arsenal, Everton and City at home and Liverpool and Chelsea away.

I know it's meaningless and everybody will drop points elsewhere but looking at that, Arsenal have got to be favourites for 4th and Everton will be lucky to avoid relegation.
 
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