Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20 - 26th December 2013]

J4K3 M said:
Giroud plays terribly but no doubt he will score against us at the weekend :(

But on a serious note, i dont know why Podolski didnt get the nod from the beginning after Giroud didnt play too well on monday. Think thats where they need to improve on in January
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Can't just throw Podolski straight in, since he's just returned in from injury.
 
Can't believe the ref ****ed up that much. How could he not see that as a straight red? It was worse than a Skrtel foul.
 
BaZ87 said:
I'm not too sure what to think about this shirt pulling stuff. Because Caulker made a big fuss early in the Cardiff game the TV camera's were focusing on him and Skrtel and that's carried on into today's game. Skrtel's certainly not the only defender in the League that does it, in fact you'll see some sort of shirt pulling from every set-play in every game. He's just being focused on at the moment but nothing he done was worse than what Lescott done to Suarez.
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He's been doing it for months. The two games before the Cardiff one he was very, very lucky to get away without giving away penalties. It can't go on forever.
 
Gilly said:
He's been doing it for months. The two games before the Cardiff one he was very, very lucky to get away without giving away penalties. It can't go on forever.
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He was doing it all last year as well, though last year he was making all kinds of other mistakes as well that led to conceding goals and Liverpool weren't looking as strong/competitive so not many people cared all that much. He is one of the most consistently fouling CB's around at set pieces. It's absolutely the case that most CB's do it to some extent, the rather daft thing is that Skrtel can't really seem to figure out the doing it on the ref's blind side thing, he does it so obviously so often, it's pretty amazing he doesn't get called up by the refs on it.


The stoke game was, weird, both in some very poor decisions, some stupid tackles when on cards, and Stoke's attitude being so un-Pulis. 1 man down and they were breaking forwards with so many people in Newcastle's half when Williamson hand balled it, a Pulis team would probably have 9 players inside the 6 yard box. Maybe naive but they are a team trying to attack more now and they were playing fairly well till the second half.

Whelan did barely touch(from the two not great replays) Cabaye and he was probably looking to get Whelan sent off.......... but Whelan could also just not have kicked out at him. Vieira got sent off for sending a gust of wind at RVN years back, kicked out at a guy about 2 metres away who he came no where near touching and still got the booking for the attempt. On a yellow even a hand on the back giving a player an excuse to throw themselves down like it was a shove is a huge risk. A kick at a player for no reason when on a yellow is inexcusable. The straight red for the foul on Remy was deserved, only one replay really shows it, just as the ball goes past he is pulling his right wrist away but also has his other hand around Remy's shoulder also pulling him away. Had to be a red in that situation.

While the Williamson hand ball looks like a poor decision... I don't think it would have made any real difference in the final result at that point, going in having scored probably helped but with 9 men Stoke were screwed at that point.


Reid's challenge on Rose was it, I saw it and couldn't even remotely imagine how it wasn't a straight red let alone the second yellow the ref could have given....... how it wasn't a card at all I have no idea.
 
deanolfc said:
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While I have no question it was onside, I personally get a bit irked when fans insist on calling stuff like that a disallowed goal... it wasn't.


If someone scores THEN a flag goes up and a decision made, then it's disallowed. When the flag goes up, the whistle goes, and one player continues to play for several seconds then scores against no opposition under no pressure, it's not a disallowed goal, it's a guy who wants to put the ball in the net to make a point. Doesn't mean he would have anyway, Hart came out but made no real effort, may have fouled him, remember Giggs against Arsenal, similar position, beat the keeper, then put it over the bar(i still love that moment both as an Arsenal and football fan, it was just hilarious).

Much like the Arsenal fans saying but for several offside calls and disallowed goals we'd have scored more against City and saying Giroud had a disallowed goal. No, the whistle went, the keeper AND two defenders stopped playing, then Giroud turned and shot past 3 players who didn't try and stop the ball. It was not a disallowed goal, it wasn't a goal full stop.
 
drunkenmaster said:
While I have no question it was onside, I personally get a bit irked when fans insist on calling stuff like that a disallowed goal... it wasn't.


If someone scores THEN a flag goes up and a decision made, then it's disallowed. When the flag goes up, the whistle goes, and one player continues to play for several seconds then scores against no opposition under no pressure, it's not a disallowed goal, it's a guy who wants to put the ball in the net to make a point. Doesn't mean he would have anyway, Hart came out but made no real effort, may have fouled him, remember Giggs against Arsenal, similar position, beat the keeper, then put it over the bar(i still love that moment both as an Arsenal and football fan, it was just hilarious).

Much like the Arsenal fans saying but for several offside calls and disallowed goals we'd have scored more against City and saying Giroud had a disallowed goal. No, the whistle went, the keeper AND two defenders stopped playing, then Giroud turned and shot past 3 players who didn't try and stop the ball. It was not a disallowed goal, it wasn't a goal full stop.
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except Bendters goal was dissalowed against city
 
Check this out. How on earth is that not a red card? There's no defender in sight, and they're all slower than McCormack anyway so none of them will get back to cover it. It's a disgusting decision, the ref bottled it. Plain and simple.

In the 90th minute he went straight over the top of the ball and nearly crippled a Leeds player. Luckily he managed to finish the game, though is a doubt for the next one, even though he had both feet planted. it was a truly disgusting challenge and he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
 
Gilly said:
Check this out. How on earth is that not a red card? There's no defender in sight, and they're all slower than McCormack anyway so none of them will get back to cover it. It's a disgusting decision, the ref bottled it. Plain and simple.

In the 90th minute he went straight over the top of the ball and nearly crippled a Leeds player. Luckily he managed to finish the game, though is a doubt for the next one, even though he had both feet planted. it was a truly disgusting challenge and he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
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He looks offside to me :)
 
He wasn't offside, the camera angle isn't in line, but even if he was that's purely another decision that the officials got wrong! If anything him being offside makes it all worse.
 
el_dazza said:
Malky Mackay's been sacked. That Vincent Tan is a plonker.
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As I pointed out in the other thread. Hull spent around 10mil and are 2 points ahead of Cardiff, Palace are 8th in form in the past 4-6 weeks or so, spent 15mil and despite losing 9 of the first 10 games are ONE point behind Cardiff.... who spent 50mil.

Cardiff have been the 17th best team in form in Oct/Nov/Dec, 3 of the teams below them have made changes and are in way better form......... in what way is Mackay doing even a slightly good job or deserving of keeping his job?

Cardiff are currently looking on course for relegation, the only team below them that hasn't changed their manager, West Ham, are also clearly thinking about getting rid of him because he's been crap. What should make Mackay immune from being fired for under performing massively?

The only reason they aren't in the bottom 3 is Palace massively Holloway, Di Canio and Jol. They'd go down without changes, and spending further on a manager that has already outspent everyone around him isn't going to change anything. With 17 points after 18 games, they are on course for around 35 points at the moment, which is more likely than not to get you relegated. Considering the absurd spending he was allowed to do for a club their size without much income, that is a very poor showing.
 
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And you really think having his backroom staff changed, the owner sticking his nose in team affairs and making public threats is helping matters? Oh yeah, it's all Mackay's fault.
 
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