Soldato
Amazing stat :
Think Utd this season are going to be like Keegan's Newcastle, should be plenty entertaining anyway!
Think Utd this season are going to be like Keegan's Newcastle, should be plenty entertaining anyway!
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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 21st September 2014]
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Blind? He's not purely offensive. Rojo? Shaw?
He's been preparing the team for a lot longer than 7 days. The first sign of trouble? What conclusions are you jumping to there?
Good job you're not a Man U fan then
you must have a poor memory if you think Moyes would be able to see this.I sense a Liverpool fan?
I wonder would Moyes be doing much worse, he was 2 points better off at the same stage last year, having played Liverpool + City away and Chelsea at home.
LVG has played Swansea/Sunderland/Burnley/QPR/Leicster and bought a lot more players with a lot more money. Not to say they won't come good but if those players weren't deemed good enough for LVG why did Moyes have to struggle (and do better) with the crap Ferguson left behind
LVG has played Swansea/Sunderland/Burnley/QPR/Leicster and bought a lot more players with a lot more money. Not to say they won't come good but if those players weren't deemed good enough for LVG why did Moyes have to struggle (and do better) with the crap Ferguson left behind
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Lets take 12/13 Utd final home game.
De Gea, Jones, Ferdy, Vidic, Evra, Kagawa, Scholes, Carrick, Welbeck, Hernandez, RVP.
Giggs, Valencia, Anderson as subs
First game of 13/14 in the league
De Gea, Jones, Ferdy, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Welbeck, Giggs, RVP.
Anderson and Rooney as subs.
So 3 starting players different but 2 of those came on in the previous game anyway.
First league game on 14/15 under LVG.
De Gea, Smalling, Blackett, Jones, Young, Lingard, Fletcher, Herrera, Mata, Rooney, Hernandez.
Subs, Fellaini, Januzaj, Nani.
Team today
De Gea, Rafael, Blackett, Evans, Rojo, Di Maria, Herrera, RVP, Rooney, Falcao
LVG has been asked to entirely rebuild the squad, and has done so. Comparing what Moyes attempted to do(nothing) and LVG( complete change in every aspect of the team) is laughable.
They are struggling with a huge amount of defensive injuries as well as multiple bigger names in the team leaving over summer coupled with a bunch of new players who have barely played with each other.
It was a make shift team, it still is defensively and the new guys haven't had more than a couple weeks to gel together. A first team defence would likely have three changes and give them time to play together and settle and get Blind working well with them and it will be a different story.
LVG said it would take a few months because he's not stupid. Utd have undergone monumental changes this season and still aren't playing a full first team, nor a fully fit makeshift team with several players not being match fit yet.
If they still suck in 3 months is an entirely different matter, but ignoring the changes and expecting instant results is just mad... or people trolling.
De Gea, Jones, Ferdy, Vidic, Evra, Kagawa, Scholes, Carrick, Welbeck, Hernandez, RVP.
Giggs, Valencia, Anderson as subs
First game of 13/14 in the league
De Gea, Jones, Ferdy, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Welbeck, Giggs, RVP.
Anderson and Rooney as subs.
So 3 starting players different but 2 of those came on in the previous game anyway.
First league game on 14/15 under LVG.
De Gea, Smalling, Blackett, Jones, Young, Lingard, Fletcher, Herrera, Mata, Rooney, Hernandez.
Subs, Fellaini, Januzaj, Nani.
Team today
De Gea, Rafael, Blackett, Evans, Rojo, Di Maria, Herrera, RVP, Rooney, Falcao
LVG has been asked to entirely rebuild the squad, and has done so. Comparing what Moyes attempted to do(nothing) and LVG( complete change in every aspect of the team) is laughable.
They are struggling with a huge amount of defensive injuries as well as multiple bigger names in the team leaving over summer coupled with a bunch of new players who have barely played with each other.
It was a make shift team, it still is defensively and the new guys haven't had more than a couple weeks to gel together. A first team defence would likely have three changes and give them time to play together and settle and get Blind working well with them and it will be a different story.
LVG said it would take a few months because he's not stupid. Utd have undergone monumental changes this season and still aren't playing a full first team, nor a fully fit makeshift team with several players not being match fit yet.
If they still suck in 3 months is an entirely different matter, but ignoring the changes and expecting instant results is just mad... or people trolling.
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Talking sense. Blowing my mind DM.
P.S. I honestly think the defence wouldn't of bottled it if it wasn't for that penalty that shook the foundations.
P.S. I honestly think the defence wouldn't of bottled it if it wasn't for that penalty that shook the foundations.
It was a terrible penalty. I really can't see the reason why teams aren't pushing for TV replays. It would clear things up for so many matches. If the decision is still unclear from a replay then you stick with the ref's decision, works in all other sports. Madness when you think of the money involved in football. Not just saying it because of the Utd match, City had a good penalty shout too.
Soldato
Tbh they could be in proper trouble by Christmas because they haven't even come up against a top team yet - 5 points from Swansea, Sunderland, Burnley, QPR and Leicester is shocking even taking into account personnel changes and injuries.
Spot on DM eek.
This isn't going to be a straightforward season, we do lack physical players which will make things difficult against some teams. We need to be good at defending with the ball and play it smart; we failed at that today after the penalty - which shouldn't have been given in the first place.
Shaw and Jones in there would help a lot, but Jones needs to stop being injured all the time.
eek.This isn't going to be a straightforward season, we do lack physical players which will make things difficult against some teams. We need to be good at defending with the ball and play it smart; we failed at that today after the penalty - which shouldn't have been given in the first place.
Shaw and Jones in there would help a lot, but Jones needs to stop being injured all the time.
Soldato
Good to see LvG picking up from Moyes in continuing to break footballing records though 
Martinez
No but it's just like Martinez. Such a lovely bloke and we won't get more exciting football but in a season he has destroyed the solid base. Rivals will love him because when we play big teams we won't park the bus, but then they would they get 3 points.
I don't want him to go, as I say we won't get better but he's clearly not good enough to get the best out of defenders or even set up a confident back four, top clubs would be mad to take him. I said time and time again last year when he had to rebuild the defense himself through injuries we would be in the ****. Which of our players have actually gotten better under him? Then compare it to the ones that have got worse.
Then he comes out with....
"It was very uncharacteristic of us to concede three goals with three errors, but even then the character was incredible and we almost managed to get something out of the game."
Has he taken a bang on the head? 13 goals conceded in 5 games, 11 goals conceded at home. Top top manager in the waiting there.
They can no longer make out they are no longer like everyone else. Throwing money at Mercenaries in the the hope they get going again. Trying to buy the league, the only difference is they can afford it in terms of FFP. Imagine how hard the road back would have been without FFP holding back City and Chelsea.
I can't imagine them not getting top 4 again. If they don't will these stars stick around for a 2nd year without CL football? Can they give LVG another xxx million? I don't expect it to happen but damn it will be interesting to watch what happens if they don't
Utd can afford to spend big again next season if they miss out on the CL and they only did this year because they missed out. While Utd were consistently making the top 4 there was no reason for the Glazers to allow big money to be spent.
Utd will keep spending to get back into the CL because the tv money, increased exposure etc is worth more than what they'll spend. The challenge will be keeping and attracting players like Di Maria.
You should know that you can't always just look at results when comparing the 2.
Moyes wasn't just getting poor results but there was little to no positives to take from anything at Utd and you couldn't see what he was building towards. Utd were drifting towards mediocrity. It's still early and a lot has gone wrong but Utd appear to have more about them now than under Moyes. You've got to give it a few more months before you can begin to judge LvG though.
It was no different to people comparing Benitez's first season to Houllier's last or the morons comparing Rodgers to Hodgson in his first season too. In Benitez's and Rodgers' first seasons the results weren't always there but you could see the club was moving forward and something was being built. Even if Utd don't break back into the top 4 this season you can't simply judge LvG on that. It's about how things happen and what are the indications on how things will progress.
Utd will keep spending to get back into the CL because the tv money, increased exposure etc is worth more than what they'll spend. The challenge will be keeping and attracting players like Di Maria.
You should know that you can't always just look at results when comparing the 2.
Moyes wasn't just getting poor results but there was little to no positives to take from anything at Utd and you couldn't see what he was building towards. Utd were drifting towards mediocrity. It's still early and a lot has gone wrong but Utd appear to have more about them now than under Moyes. You've got to give it a few more months before you can begin to judge LvG though.
It was no different to people comparing Benitez's first season to Houllier's last or the morons comparing Rodgers to Hodgson in his first season too. In Benitez's and Rodgers' first seasons the results weren't always there but you could see the club was moving forward and something was being built. Even if Utd don't break back into the top 4 this season you can't simply judge LvG on that. It's about how things happen and what are the indications on how things will progress.
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Well said Baz. Moyes also created a few more problems that LvG has had to work through, and LvG has had much less time with the team/at the club in pre-season than other managers, which has no doubt affected things further.
No top four wouldn't be the end of the world, though I do think it's still very much possible. Even if we finished 5th/6th we could still buy defenders who are of a decent quality, etc.
It must be a fitness thing, having him at left back instead of Rojo would have probably helped today as Rojo kept bombing forward and did a fairly poor job of his defensive duties. We know that Shaw can, most likely, handle most Premier League attackers without too much trouble.
He wasn't building anything, they as a club/moyes failed to buy anyone but Fellaini yet LVG has bought in some real class. At the risk of being labelled a Moyes sympathiser comparisons were being made already at this time for Moyes so it's not to be unexpected that LVG get's the same treatment. Especially when he has spent far far more than Moyes did.
Moyes "tried" to make United hard to beat, is LVG even trying?
