and I originally said "by the summer" - ie having bought replacements in that window (or this Jan)
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and I originally said "by the summer" - ie having bought replacements in that window (or this Jan)
Evens it up though as Rooney was clearly onside when he got flagged in the 2nd half
LOL Yes.
Newcastle's manager was due to be sacked.
Every game he plays, he is about to be sacked.
Yet he now has his team in 4th and continues to win every game.
Newcastle have won 5 games in a row, which I believe is the best form of any team in the league.
Statistically, based on current form, Newcastle are the best team in the league.
Newcastle's manager was due to be sacked.
Every game he plays, he is about to be sacked.
Yet he now has his team in 4th and continues to win every game.
Newcastle have won 5 games in a row, which I believe is the best form of any team in the league.
Statistically, based on current form, Newcastle are the best team in the league.
With the players we have we shouldn't be scraping into the top 4 year in year out. Tactically he's out-thought by pretty much every manager in the Premiership. His recruitment recently is poor as well. Yes Sanchez is an amazing signing but it's been painfully obvious for years that we've needed a Gilberto replacement and more cover at the back. You don't win titles by scoring more, you win them by conceding less.
I think E.Woodward has stated that we shouldnt expect to see any new faces in January.
unless the targets become available
So you expect Wenger (or a replacement manager) to beat 3 other teams who have more resources, to win the title.
Even Mourinho would struggle to do this.
Unless targets are available. It'd be pretty stupid not to buy anyone, given the injury records.
We still haven't fielded the same defence in consecutive games...
either way I mentioned the summer - Utd cant afford to hang on to all three of Evans, Smalling and Jones - they have all stalled in development and hanging on to all of them isn't doing the club justice
Still cant believe Di Maria couldn't even hit the target to go 3-0 up while 1 on 1 with that goalie
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doesn't look offside to me.
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There is no club in the world that spends what Arsenal do and have so little success. Arsenal are spending within about 15mil of the wages CHelsea spend now... while spending around 60million more than the likes of Spurs spend. No, 4th is really pretty easy. We have a squad size that Spurs/Everton and the likes can't come remotely close to, our revenue dwarfs almost every team below us(except Liverpool who have been run incredibly poorly for the past what 6-7 years to end up in such a position, our wages are now significantly above theirs anyway).
Many many managers could get a team that spends 50%+ more wages than the next teams down could get into the same position.
Very few managers learn and change nothing in a decade, in fact, none that I can name. Fergie adapted and changed the team many many times.
I disagree, Mourinho would be able to take this current side to at least within touching distance of the title. They're good enough but need the proper direction from the manager to play effectively. Mourinho's even got Chelsea playing attractive football
whilst keeping it tight at the back. That's how we won the titles under Wenger, but he's completely forgotten that you have to build from the back.
Besides, how can you say we don't have the resources when we've spent over £100 million over the last 2 summers?
I disagree, Mourinho would be able to take this current side to at least within touching distance of the title. They're good enough but need the proper direction from the manager to play effectively. Mourinho's even got Chelsea playing attractive football
That's how we won the titles under Wenger, but he's completely forgotten that you have to build from the back.
Besides, how can you say we don't have the resources when we've spent over £100 million over the last 2 summers?
JM would probably also want to spend an even bigger fortune than Wenger has recently (and to be fair before the last year or so Wenger was pretty good at not spending at all)
It takes along time to even get a decent quality 1st XI together let alone a full squad. Arsene has done ok offensively, but still quite a bit of work defensively on the team to get it up to scratch imo (if the Ozil money had been spent on player(s) further back on the pitch, it would be a much better team)
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html
In the last 3 years,
Arse, net spend: £53.8M + £32.5M + £8.6M= £94.9
Chls net spend: £16.1M + £49.3M + £72M = £137.4
Chelsea have spent bigger than Arsenal, as have Man Utd and Man City.
Arsenal, are 4th in the spending league.
So 4th in the table is status quo.
So, in reality, if you replace Wenger, you should do so only if Mourinho is willing join Arsenal. I doubt any other manager in the World would be able to get into 3rd. And to win the league - Mourinho will need a huge amount of luck.
Based on the above, Wenger is doing a decent job. Not great, but decent.
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Net spend means absolutely god damned nothing at all. If you have £80million and buy 2 crap £40million players you've still spent £80million badly, just because you sell a £40mil player doesn't mean you haven't spent £80million.
In recent seasons we've spent £82mil, £42.5mil, £52mil, £53mil and bought almost no one we should have.
But again you're comparing a short term manager with a long term one. Arsenal could have bought 10 youngsters for 200k a piece who could/should be part of the first team now, Mourinho couldn't because he wasn't there 10 years ago(well he almost was actually but this time around it's not like decisions he made that long ago are effecting the team he has now).
Wenger has a monumental advantage that no other manager in any of the top leagues has, longevity. He's apparently going around talking about all the top players around now who he almost bought.... but didn't and that is his fault.
A team that is built and needs smaller changes every year(in theory, if the manager is doing a good job) wouldn't need to spend as much. A new manager comes in and changes the style maybe, wants some players he likes, wants to move people on, that costs money. The longer you at at a club the less spending should be in general as you go from small tweaks as opposed to rebuilding in your style.
Ignoring that while comparing spending is pointless, ignoring wage spending is pointless.
Ignoring that spending isn't everything. Most teams have good and bad years, Liverpool had a good year and almost won a title, Arsenal had a good year and came fourth. Liverpool almost won the title spending far far less(both net spend in transfers and wage spending).
Any game is winnable by anyone, it's how Chelsea sometimes lose to a crap team and how a crap team sometimes beats Chelsea. Over 10 years Arsenal by luck should have had a "good" year by now where we are actually in with a real shot of the league. A good manager can take a team and make them better, Arsenal haven't gotten better in years. We've gotten worse every year while increasing spending every single year.
Many, many other teams in europe and england have with smaller budgets than Arsenal let alone CHelsea won league, fa cups and done better in the league. Utd were being outspent by Chelsea... but won titles, Chelsea are being outspent by City significantly... but are likely to win the title. Huge wage spending and huge squads are part of but not the entire equation
Wenger has every possible advantage you can have, longevity, ability to build a team over a decade not two years, ability to buy youngsters for cheap and bring them through, ability to improve players, ability to improve tactics and simply having a lucky season. Look at Newcastle, or Everton, all teams have good and bad years. Atletico won the title against two teams that spend way more than Arsenal, while spending less than Spurs, they got to the champs league final as well despite the small squad.
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I think what was worse was two weeks ago. Merson criticising us having no one back and throwing away a 3 goal lead in Europe. Wenger criticised Merson for having no idea what he was talking about.... before doing exactly the same thing in the weekend game and giving away a lead again in precisely the same way which was by the way having no one back defending. Then, despite actually complaining about Merson TELLING HIM WHAT HE DID WRONG... thus he heard what Merson said we did wrong, came out after the game saying he didn't know what we did wrong.
You really can't get any more retarded than that.
This is my fundamental issue with Wenger, in the past decade any weakness in the team has been utterly ignored with zero attempt to fix it. When Wenger pulls out the "we don't play differently against different opposition" line, then we lose again against good opposition it makes him look retarded, not principled or whatever the hell he thinks it is. It's a weakness, it costs us points every single season and he actively argues against fixing the problem.
Ox, I have no idea how he's starting, at best his energy and running would be better used as an impact sub... even then it's questionable. lots of running, nothing, no end product at all(yes I know he scored, anyone can and will score given long enough on the pitch, we need 90 mins performances week in week out, not 4 seconds of useful stuff once every 6 months). Podolski on the bench still, Campbell not getting a chance, bendtner/Vela shipped off despite being quality purely because Wenger refused to use them but started other useless players instead.
His methods are failing, but he refuses to even attempt to fix our problems then makes stupid claims about not knowing what is wrong when everyone can tell him.
drunkenmaster, I think you are expecting way too much.
Athletico Madrid's title win was a one-off.
Fergie has proven to be one of, if not the best manager of all time.
With regards to Liverpool - they had Suarez last year. This year, without Suarez, they are in 11th.
Most of the time, the biggest spenders win the league. This is fact.
Who would you replace Wenger with? Klopp? Who currently has his team 4th from bottom?
I think you are expecting Wenger to perform like the best manager in the World and this is just not fair. Much like you wouldnt expect Giroud to be sold because he isnt scoring like Costa or Ronaldo, you cant sack Wenger because he isnt as good as Mourinho.
When Arsenal spend £150M in 1 transfer window and finish 4th, I will agree with your assessment on Wenger. But while Arsenal have a limited transfer budget, 4th (consistently) is realistic.
Apart from Mouinho, Ancelotti or Guardiola, who do you think can come in and do a better job?
Athletico Madrid's title win was a one-off.
Fergie has proven to be one of, if not the best manager of all time.
With regards to Liverpool - they had Suarez last year. This year, without Suarez, they are in 11th.
Most of the time, the biggest spenders win the league. This is fact.
Who would you replace Wenger with? Klopp? Who currently has his team 4th from bottom?
I think you are expecting Wenger to perform like the best manager in the World and this is just not fair. Much like you wouldnt expect Giroud to be sold because he isnt scoring like Costa or Ronaldo, you cant sack Wenger because he isnt as good as Mourinho.
When Arsenal spend £150M in 1 transfer window and finish 4th, I will agree with your assessment on Wenger. But while Arsenal have a limited transfer budget, 4th (consistently) is realistic.
Apart from Mouinho, Ancelotti or Guardiola, who do you think can come in and do a better job?