Is that really fact? Are you talking net or gross?
I doubt very much that it'll happen this year, it didn't happen last year or the year before that so where are you getting this fact from?
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Is that really fact? Are you talking net or gross?
I doubt very much that it'll happen this year, it didn't happen last year or the year before that so where are you getting this fact from?
If you look at each of the top 3 teams over the last few years.
Take their net spend over the last 3 years. Call this number X.
You will find that the clubs with the biggest X number, will be those highest in the table.
There will always be anomalies (such as those stated by drunkenmaster: eg. Liverpool or A.Madrid last year), but generally speaking the big spenders can buy their way to the title.
You certainly need to consider the manager in charge as well. He is very important and can get the team performing 1 or 2 places above, the spending figure would suggest.
Chelsea are fine example. Before Abromovich arrived with his money, when was the last time that Chelsea won the top league? Same for Man City. Money can absolutely buy you the league.
But, getting back to the Arsenal situation: Wenger is doing a decent job and I am all ears with regards to who you think can do a better job.
Take their net spend over the last 3 years. Call this number X.
You will find that the clubs with the biggest X number, will be those highest in the table.
There will always be anomalies (such as those stated by drunkenmaster: eg. Liverpool or A.Madrid last year), but generally speaking the big spenders can buy their way to the title.
You certainly need to consider the manager in charge as well. He is very important and can get the team performing 1 or 2 places above, the spending figure would suggest.
Chelsea are fine example. Before Abromovich arrived with his money, when was the last time that Chelsea won the top league? Same for Man City. Money can absolutely buy you the league.
But, getting back to the Arsenal situation: Wenger is doing a decent job and I am all ears with regards to who you think can do a better job.
That doesn't really answer my question or prove your statement as you were talking about the biggest spenders winning the league and you didn't limit it to the last 3 years either.
Where have you got this fact from?
Where have you got this fact from?
I don't agree, he's too stubborn to ever change anything. If he was put in a position that he needed to mark an outstanding player he would not change his normal line up to counter that, hence why he has an atrocious record in the last few seasons against the top sides. His tactical knowledge is absence past plan A.
I think Wenger has had his chance to do something with Arsenal. He has done as well as he is ever going to unless he changes his ideas. Arsenal have had a settled squad and the ability to buy sensibly for years now yet they have always been shy in the transfer market. With a top striker and a better defence, Arsenal could have been competing for the league over the past few seasons but Wenger would rather spend less and hope that the players become amazing.
The problem that you will always have when you don't win things is that if you do come across a world class talent, they will move on to another team that can offer them trophies after a few seasons.
If you looked at Chelsea last season and what they bought it was very obvious and targeted. Chelsea needed some midfield quality and invention and also a top striker. Out he goes in the summer and addresses both those issues.
The problem that you will always have when you don't win things is that if you do come across a world class talent, they will move on to another team that can offer them trophies after a few seasons.
If you looked at Chelsea last season and what they bought it was very obvious and targeted. Chelsea needed some midfield quality and invention and also a top striker. Out he goes in the summer and addresses both those issues.
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I don't think Arsenal can win every single year, but in a decade he's done almost nothing. Don't forget that a huge amount of the spending City/Chelsea do is completely wasted, new managers come in and just don't like certain players, spend to make their mark. Again a longer term manager has more time to pick and chose players, should get better deals because lets say you take over City you're expected to win that year. Think of City spending 18mil to get De Jong when he could have been free 6 months or a year later, they did it because of the immediacy of their needs. Arsenal don't face that problem, they could and absolutely should have identified a half dozen top DM's in the past 4-5 years and bought any of them when it made most sense for the team.
Ignoring the DM position every year for years on end which hurts the team every year is not good management and nothing to do with finances, it's to do with Wenger being stupid.
Wenger is also peeing money away year after year on the likes of Diaby, Rosicky, he threw money away on Santos, Monreal.
What you keep doing is associating most of Arsenal's problems with squad, many are but many of those could be fixed. Their are great deals constantly, only urgency ever really makes teams overspend and as said, this isn't a problem Wenger has faced.
The problem with Arsenal is not the squad, or transfer spending, but tactics. These are all entirely Wenger's problem.
Being unable to become competitive at defensive or offensive set pieces in a decade is completely Wenger's fault. Refusing to play differently against better teams is entirely his fault. It's some bizarre philosophy he's decided is the better way to win... except he doesn't win, he's failed to win with this idea for a decade but he persists.
There are a dozen, several dozen ways Arsenal can improve without spending a single penny, if one year we sat back and played differently against the top 6, maybe didn't win but didn't lose any of the games maybe we could be in with a shot of winning the title.
Nothing that is failing based on tactics, management, training, nothing has been fixed in years. The point of talking about Dortmund or Atletico is that ANY team can have a great year, how have Arsenal not had a good year in a decade under Wenger? In actual fact most teams have great years where they play better than the sum of their parts, Arsenal do not. Wenger's substitutions are shocking, his inability to see out a game is laughable, his tactical naivety cost us points every year.
There are LOADS of problems at Arsenal and almost none of them have anything to do with money, talking about money alone is just being pig headed or ignorant.
Today Arsenal refusing to have people back defending is nothing, nothing at all in any way to do with money. Playing Gibbs in a big game again despite messing up in every big game of the past 2 seasons, again nothing to do with money. We sent out Coquelin who has time and time again come in and done a good job, but then gets ignored, he's played well at fullback and defensive midfield. We're paying his wages afaik while he's on loan but we're not getting any use from him.
The majority of Arsenal's problems aren't to do with money but are about things Wenger can but refuses to change, problems that cost us game after game, year after year, competition after competition.
Ignoring the DM position every year for years on end which hurts the team every year is not good management and nothing to do with finances, it's to do with Wenger being stupid.
Wenger is also peeing money away year after year on the likes of Diaby, Rosicky, he threw money away on Santos, Monreal.
What you keep doing is associating most of Arsenal's problems with squad, many are but many of those could be fixed. Their are great deals constantly, only urgency ever really makes teams overspend and as said, this isn't a problem Wenger has faced.
The problem with Arsenal is not the squad, or transfer spending, but tactics. These are all entirely Wenger's problem.
Being unable to become competitive at defensive or offensive set pieces in a decade is completely Wenger's fault. Refusing to play differently against better teams is entirely his fault. It's some bizarre philosophy he's decided is the better way to win... except he doesn't win, he's failed to win with this idea for a decade but he persists.
There are a dozen, several dozen ways Arsenal can improve without spending a single penny, if one year we sat back and played differently against the top 6, maybe didn't win but didn't lose any of the games maybe we could be in with a shot of winning the title.
Nothing that is failing based on tactics, management, training, nothing has been fixed in years. The point of talking about Dortmund or Atletico is that ANY team can have a great year, how have Arsenal not had a good year in a decade under Wenger? In actual fact most teams have great years where they play better than the sum of their parts, Arsenal do not. Wenger's substitutions are shocking, his inability to see out a game is laughable, his tactical naivety cost us points every year.
There are LOADS of problems at Arsenal and almost none of them have anything to do with money, talking about money alone is just being pig headed or ignorant.
Today Arsenal refusing to have people back defending is nothing, nothing at all in any way to do with money. Playing Gibbs in a big game again despite messing up in every big game of the past 2 seasons, again nothing to do with money. We sent out Coquelin who has time and time again come in and done a good job, but then gets ignored, he's played well at fullback and defensive midfield. We're paying his wages afaik while he's on loan but we're not getting any use from him.
The majority of Arsenal's problems aren't to do with money but are about things Wenger can but refuses to change, problems that cost us game after game, year after year, competition after competition.
It's a tough one for me as I have supported Wenger quite vocally over the years. In his prime with the funds he had in comparison to Fergie he was the better manager in my opinion. Yet the game moved on and Fergie could adapt. I now am starting to agree that Wenger has had long enough. I do think mediocrity seems to be accepted and when they get rid of him they will take a few steps back to build up again.
Then again another part of me thinks with the owners situation you are only going to cycle trough managers spend 100's of millions and still not be top 2. I'd take the gamble now, but then it's not my club or money and I'm not a supporter.
Then again another part of me thinks with the owners situation you are only going to cycle trough managers spend 100's of millions and still not be top 2. I'd take the gamble now, but then it's not my club or money and I'm not a supporter.
Wait, you're disputing that more money = more success? You're actually disputing that? Like, City, when they had no money, were really good? And Chelsea? Really?
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Hey it only took Chelsea 1 Billion to win stuff these past 10 years, obviously money cant buy success mate, don't be silly!
